Battle speed

[sapi]

They probably mean there will be less empire-managing or something. We war in a quicker pace, no? Build army a year and fight 100 years.

-edit- Nevermind. I didn't realize it was under "battle."

Yeah - they'd not dare try that!

It better be slow and tactical (compared to rtw) with a decent ai though...

[x-dANGEr]

Can I understand what's so bad about short battles? And who said they are short anyway, try an infantry to infantry battle and see how much will it hold. And the sollution to this problem, is improve the A.I. Go play some MP, the easiest game would take 20 mins.. I can't understand what do you mean by a slower battle..

[Mount Suribachi]

One of the communities biggest (and ongoing) problems with RTW is that compared to MTW and STW the battles are much shorter in length. Movement speeds are faster, killing rates are faster, units route quicker. Even battles between 2 full stacks rarely last more than 10 minutes. Whereas in MTW a battle between 2 full stacks could last 30 minutes or more, with the battle ebbing and flowing. With RTW, the lines meet, fight for a few seconds, then one side chain routes. I've not even come close to the epic 3 and 4 hour fights I had in MTW whilst playing RTW. Battles that will live long in the memory.

Like most MTW and STW vets I miss those epic battles in RTW, and I am apprehensive at this talk of a quicker pace in MTW2...

[doc_bean]

Let's just hope this is what CA told the marketing guys to shut them up, and they're actually making a deep, tactical, battle system.

I don't think you can sell 'slow' to your average marketing guy, but then, most of them probably never played a Total War game either...

[Kraxis]

Ahh it is nice that somebody cares if I live or not, but honestly I'm a little disappointed nobody would give mouth to mouth... I mean I have brushed my teeth two weeks ago.

I don't think you can sell 'slow' to your average marketing guy, but then, most of them probably never played a Total War game either...

Of course you can't, that is why you would use 'Epic' instead.

I can still remember a lot of battles in MTW or STW where most of my army wasrouted and I had only a few units that I had managed to rally left, all of them depleted, tired and in not too good a mood. Then the enemy would come at me and we would fight on and on and on until I would realize that it served no purpose anymore.

That can't happen in RTW.

[Zatoichi]

They should also bring back individual units' ability to rally rather than having it just in the general's hands. Many's a MTW battle where I would be desperately waiting to rally a unit which might just be able to turn the tide. That didn't happen in RTW, which was that game's loss.

Seriously though, we need confirmation that this is just marketing speak, and not a fundamental rejigging of the engine - faster paced battles is just not what I want to hear. What's the point of the lovely new graphics and fancy motion-captured animations if the battles are too fast to enjoy them?

[Templar Knight]

I expect we will know more in PC Zone's 'first look' on February 2nd

Followed by a preview in PC Gamer in March

[Oaty]

They should also bring back individual units' ability to rally rather than having it just in the general's hands. Many's a MTW battle where I would be desperately waiting to rally a unit which might just be able to turn the tide. That didn't happen in RTW, which was that game's loss.

I'm a bit against that. Plus RTW's rally style is much more historically accurate, and as much heat CA gets............

Anyways a question for someone who's played some of the mods with reduced kill rates while also stretching there system. To me it seems I can get more troops on the battlefield with RTR before the lag kicks in as opposed to vanilla. I'm not saying this is fact but I'm suspicous RTR takes more units to lag. Cavalry have a fast kill rate but most infantrys kill rate is reduced by over one third in RTR. So on average theres up to over 50 percent less calculations the processor has to calculate wich ups the performance. Since MTW 2 is claiming much more epic battles without probably upping the system requirements by much (I hope). So one way to increase troop count is to make the calculations needed per second less. So for MTW2's engine the calculations are probably reduced, but the chances to kill could be increased.

Anyways the way it's stated could mean multiple things such as instead of fighting a bunch of small stacks fighting your way to a city you could find 1 major battle where either the A.I. keeps marching thier army away from yours in the case of defeat while gaining reenforcements or you are retreating yours in the case of defeat while being persued.

1 major battle is a quicker pace than 5 or 6 small battles

Anyways RTW's kilm rate is a little fast but acceptable for me but it's the way routers = instadeath that bothers me.

[Gustav II Adolf]

Pleeease CA and Sega!

Less is more!

I like the speed as it was in MTW. In RTW i found the battle speeds a bit too fast. Over all the game improves if the suspense is allowed to grow before the battle. Well into the fighting there should be room for tactical maneuvers. It´s all about balancing, i know. I just dont like when a game becomes repetitive or when someone believes exlusively that more of the same more intense makes it better.

[Ciaran]

One of the reasons the MTW battles last so blasted long is the reinforcement system. The units come in stacks one after another instead all at once. And honestly, I much more like the all-at-once Rome battles.
However, I do agree that the actual movement and fighting speed in Rome is a bit too fast, things tend to get a bit too hectic.

[Voigtkampf]

One of the communities biggest (and ongoing) problems with RTW is that compared to MTW and STW the battles are much shorter in length. Movement speeds are faster, killing rates are faster, units route quicker. Even battles between 2 full stacks rarely last more than 10 minutes. Whereas in MTW a battle between 2 full stacks could last 30 minutes or more, with the battle ebbing and flowing. With RTW, the lines meet, fight for a few seconds, then one side chain routes. I've not even come close to the epic 3 and 4 hour fights I had in MTW whilst playing RTW. Battles that will live long in the memory.

Like most MTW and STW vets I miss those epic battles in RTW, and I am apprehensive at this talk of a quicker pace in MTW2...

Listen to him! He speaketh the truteth!!!

I miss those long, epic, huge battles of M:TW...

[Duke John]

One of the communities biggest issues is not accepting mods. A mod that slows down running speed and combat is a piece of cake but it seems that MPers much rather yell at CA.

[Sardo]

One of the communities biggest issues is not accepting mods. A mod that slows down running speed and combat is a piece of cake but it seems that MPers much rather yell at CA.

I would submit that this is because most people do not wish to rely on third-party mods for a good game. Mods are supposed to add new content, not fix the game.

[Duke John]

If R:TW was the ideal game, then yes. But people are complaining about speeds and CA is doing nothing about it. The solution by the community? Keep whining because mods are not official.