Shogun by James Clavell, set in medieval Japan. 10/10
Colleen McCulloughs Masters of Rome. Not really mediveal but damned good anyways. 8/10
Shogun by James Clavell, set in medieval Japan. 10/10
Colleen McCulloughs Masters of Rome. Not really mediveal but damned good anyways. 8/10
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If you ever happen upon one or more books of Maurice Druon's seven-part series The Accursed Kings, don't hesisate.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
I might give those a try. I saw the series on TV during the autumn and found it very good, although the scenery was a bit strange, a sort of Excalibur setting (i.e completely wrong).
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"We were not born into this world to be happy, but to do our duty." Bismarck
"You can't be a successful Dictator and design women's underclothing. One or the other. Not both." The Right Hon. Bertram Wilberforce Wooster
"Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; the best of life is but intoxication" - Lord Byron
"Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes, or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison." - C. S. Lewis
The Flashman novels by George MacDonald Fraser, which are side-splittingly funny as well as being well researched.
Dum spiro spero
A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
- William James
Yes, the Flashman novels are fantastic. I've only read the first ony, Flashman, and the description of the 1st Afghan War is excellent.
It was not theirs to reason why,
It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
-The Charge of the Light Brigade - Alfred, Lord Tennyson
"Wherever this stone shall lie, the King of the Scots shall rule"
-Prophecy of the Stone of Destiny
"For God, For King and country, For loved ones home and Empire, For the sacred cause of justice, and The freedom of the world, They buried him among the kings because he, Had done good toward God and toward his house."
-Inscription on the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior
I liked Gates of Fire by... damn, I don't rember is name. Anyway, it's the battle of Thermonoplyae from the view of a Spartan squire, telling it to his Persian captives.
"But if you should fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
Grateful Dead, "Ripple"
Knight Crusader - Ronal Welch, a fantastic book, I've read it several times - there are a few others by the same author that wander through history - well worth picking up.
Also, The White Company by Conan Doyle is a must-read medieval historical fiction novel.
I'll add another mention of Bernard Cornwell's Grail Quest series, they're good fun.
What else is there... I know I've read a few more, but can't for the life of me remember titles and authors... One called Kemp or something about an archer at Agincourt... Umberto Eco's work is good - Name of the Rose, Baudolino...
To be honest, I am far more interested in novels set in the Classical era, but that's just me - the McCullough series were an excellent coupla months entertainment, the Manfredi books are... not particularly accurate in my opinion - airport novels... Of course, the person to read is Mary Renault, who is excellent. I find that I'm reading more fact than fiction on the subject though, so hmm...
Other areas... Clavell's good, for something similar, this is good for early 20th century China. The Flashman series is awesome in every way shape and form. Patrick O'Brian's Napoleonic era sailing novels are great...
I could go on and on, but I am getting off-topic, so I won't.
By Steven Pressfield I think....Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Friendship, Fun & Honour!
"The Prussian army always attacks."
-Frederick the Great
Agree, it represents magnificiently France (and England) before the 100-year war. Fair Philip IV's splendid reign, the wise Pope John XXII's incredible carrier and the atmosphere of the medieval life. My favourite was undoubtedly Robert d'Artois, who was a quite extreme character with his huge stature, sense of humour, sexual dissipations, alcoholism....Originally Posted by AdrianII
Otherwise he was a pair of the French kingdom, and was buried in the St Paul's Cathedral in 1343.
Undoubtedly "The Sword and the Scimitar", also published as "Ironfire", by David Ball.
From Publishers's Weekly: "The Ottoman Empire's vicious 1565 assault on the island fortresses of Malta, and the vigorous defense of the island by the Knights of St. John, a military religious order dedicated to preserving Christendom from the Muslims, serves as the backdrop for Ball's second historical epic. Amid bloody land and sea battles, four protagonists struggle to survive in a world of disease, brutality and religious persecution. Nico, a young Maltese boy, is captured by Algerian corsairs in a pirate raid and taken to North Africa, where he serves as a slave to a shipbuilder. To save his life, he converts to Islam and becomes captain of one of the sultan's war galleys. Maria, Nico's sister, vows to find and rescue her brother, but priests, knights and her own desire for revenge thwart her plans. Christien Luc de Vries is an unwilling Knight of St. John who prefers studying medicine and surgery to butchering Muslims. Father Giulio Salvago is an Inquisitor determined to stamp out heresy through torture and fear, but whose own guilt over past sins torments him. All four characters confront lies, broken vows and unexpected twists in their efforts to vanquish their enemies and save themselves during the massive Turkish siege of Malta. Ball's bold, gruesome descriptions convincingly evoke the savagery of this 16th-century religious war and the treachery and zealotry of Muslim and Christian authorities alike."
It's one of the finest novels I've read, and it's definetely not just for the historically inclined, this is a must for all who appreciate the written word.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
I think I'm going to add a couple of... let us just call them interesting, writers.![]()
Sven Hazel's books. Historical? Hardly, but they have an interesting setting and they can be pretty nasty.
Even 'worse' are the books of Leo Kessler. They are enjoyable to a great extent, if you can ignore his obsession with women, and the male interaction they sometimes have.
I guess both could be called good books for 13-14 year olds, but I found them quite enjoyable even now. I guess I'm trying to be more of a devil's advocate here.
You may not care about war, but war cares about you!
Dorothy Dunnet's Lymond series is a lot of fun.
It takes place in the 1500s and follows her character Francis Crawford through Scotland, France (court of Henry II?), Malta, Istanbul, Moscow and a few points in between.
It starts with "The Game of Kings"
Oh my mum is a huge fan of the Lymond saga. She tried to make me read it once, but I found it very heavy going and I switched off after page 20.
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"We were not born into this world to be happy, but to do our duty." Bismarck
"You can't be a successful Dictator and design women's underclothing. One or the other. Not both." The Right Hon. Bertram Wilberforce Wooster
"Man, being reasonable, must get drunk; the best of life is but intoxication" - Lord Byron
"Where men are forbidden to honour a king they honour millionaires, athletes, or film-stars instead: even famous prostitutes or gangsters. For spiritual nature, like bodily nature, will be served; deny it food and it will gobble poison." - C. S. Lewis
I second that. Someone at the Org put me onto them and I've read all 6 books in the last year. Outstanding stuff, from Gaius Marius to OctavianOriginally Posted by Sjakihata
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"I request permanent reassignment to the Gallic frontier. Nay, I demand reassignment. Perhaps it is improper to say so, but I refuse to fight against the Greeks or Macedonians any more. Give my command to another, for I cannot, I will not, lead an army into battle against a civilized nation so long as the Gauls survive. I am not the young man I once was, but I swear before Jupiter Optimus Maximus that I shall see a world without Gauls before I take my final breath."
Senator Augustus Verginius
Cornwell is entertaining, not always believable but entertaining.
I especially liked being able to identify most of the source material for the "historical" aspects of his warlord trilogy, very entertaining (both identifying the sources and the trilogy).
The author of the Cadfael series has done some other entertaining historical novels too.
Edit: for spelling
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Eh, I read a few, but it was too politicy... not enough battles, too much stuff about whos sleeping with who.Originally Posted by Mount Suribachi
"But if you should fall you fall alone,
If you should stand then who's to guide you?
If I knew the way I would take you home."
Grateful Dead, "Ripple"
Spartacus by Rafaello Giovanolli ( very interesting novel focused on Rome)
Great insight, great subject, great ending.
Also I enjoyed Shogun by James Clavell.
" If you don't want me, I want you! Alexandru Lapusneanul"
"They are a stupid mob, but neverless they are a mob! Alexandru Lapusneanul"
Tyrant by Valerio Manfredi (sp) - he also did the Alexander trilogy
A brief synopsis
The thundering new historical epic from the bestselling master of the genre Sicily 412 BC: the infinite duel between a man and a superpower begins. The man is Dionysius, who has just made himself Tyrant of Syracuse. The superpower Carthage, mercantile megalopolis and mistress of the seas. Over the next eight years, Dionysius' brutal military conquests will strike down countless enemies and many friends to make Syracuse the most powerful Greek city west of mainland Greece. He builds the largest army of antiquity and invents horrific war machines to use against the Carthaginians, who he will fight in five wars. But who was Dionysius? Historians have condemned him as one of the most ruthless, egocentric despots. But he was also patron of the arts, a dramatist, poet and tender lover.
Bloody good stuff for RTW fans
Also the Emperor series by Conn Iggulden
Conn Iggulden brilliantly interweaves history and adventure to recreate the astonishing life of Julius Caesar - an epic tale of ambition and rivalry, bravery and betrayal, from an outstanding new voice in historical fiction.
Set from the start of Ceaser's lifr to the bloody end. Great characters and very enjoyable.
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Look what these bastards have done to Wales. They've taken our coal, our water, our steel. They buy our homes and live in them for a fortnight every year. What have they given us? Absolutely nothing. We've been exploited, raped, controlled and punished by the English — and that's who you are playing this afternoon Phil Bennett's pre 1977 Rugby match speech
Absolutely - loved the Emperor series, especially the way it describes Caesars childhood and youth, something not often touched upon in mainstream literature.Originally Posted by monkian
"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius. Commander of the armies of the north; general of the Felix legions and loyal servant of the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son. Husband to a murdered wife; and I WILL have my vengence, in this life or the next."
I would like to point out one not that well known author but a great one.Mika Waltari.His best known novel is the Sinuhet Egyptian,but he has lots of other good historical novels ranging from rise of Rome to the Fall of Constantinopole and 30 years war.I recommended his novels whole heartedly.![]()
Ja Mata Tosainu Sama.
anyone heard of jack whytes arthur series? i like it at any rate,a more believable than cromwell,cornwell whatever his name is.
love the sharpe series.
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Originally Posted by Tomi says
I'd like to add that the Emperor series is extremely innaccurate, historically speaking. I've only read the first book, admittedly, but Iggulden twists the known record so far it's not even recognisable anymore. There really is no excuse to do this when writing about a person so well documented as Ceasar. Background details are also dubious, depictions of politics and military matters are bollocks, characteristation seems anachronistic as well.Originally Posted by eadeater
I'd furthermore add that the writing is mediocre and the characterisation poor, but I may be prejudiced because the historical innaccuracy ticked me off. Sole redeeming feature would be that the book is fast paced and action packed, though I didn't find the action believable either.
For further details, see my post (well, long rant really) in the stickied literature thread in this forum. Post almost halfway down this page.
Bottom line would be: read if you want a quick action story and don't mind the flaws, but please don't take anything in there as historical fact.
Edit: to add something constructive to my post: I've always liked the little-known historical novels by Alfred Duggan. He wrote a ton of them in the 50s and 60s, and they're being reprinted now. Some are on medieval history, others are about ancient Rome. Favourites would include "The Conscience of the King", which is about the semi-legendary founder of the English royal house, Cerdric of Wessex, plotting, scheming and murdering his way to the throne.
If you like the idea of Cornwell's "historical Arthur", I recommend checking out Rosemary Sutcliff's "Sword at Sunset." This book is the first to look at Arthur this way, and provides a magnificent look at 5th century England, and a truly believable interpretation of Arhur. (or in this case, Artos the Bear.") Bear in mind, though, that this book isn't nearly as heavy on the battles and action scenes as Cornwell's novels.
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