Poll: Thumbs Down on Prez Hillary Clinton

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Im not sure if this is good news or bad. I really want to see her run and loose. At least she will no longer represent New York

Poll: Thumbs Down on Prez Hillary Clinton

By a margin of three to one, Americans say they would "definitely" vote against Hillary Clinton for president, a CNN/Gallup poll released Tuesday has found.

While just 16 percent say they had made up their minds to back Clinton when she seeks the presidency in 2008, 51 percent say there's no way they want to see the former first lady back in the White House.

Men are the most vehement when it comes to the prospect of another Clinton presidency, with 60 percent telling Gallup they would vote against Hillary for sure.

Reporting on the Gallup survey in today's edition, the New York Post notes that women are slightly less repulsed by the notion of Mrs. Clinton running the country, with just 43 percent saying they definitely don't want to see her in the Oval Office.

Even Mrs. Clinton's liberal base isn't solidly behind her, with a full one-third of self described liberals telling Gallup/CNN they have no intention of supporting her in 2008.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

W00T! Down with the white man!

[Lemur]

There's something perverse and hilarious about Hillary Clinton being your Senator, Gawain.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Whoa. She's already got a majority of people against her.

That won't stop her from probably winning the dem nomination

Crazed Rabbit

[Major Robert Dump]

I'll tell you why people are against her, aside form the fact that she is too much of a politician....its because hillary as president is a package deal, just as bill was a package deal. Catch my drift? Bill and Hilary were in office 8 years, thats enough. Now had she divorced him after the affair I might have a small amount of respect for her, but I guess it depends on which affair and still I would probably still think she sucked. No thanks

[Adrian II]

I'll tell you why people are against her, aside form the fact that she is too much of a politician....its because hillary as president is a package deal, just as bill was a package deal. Catch my drift? Bill and Hilary were in office 8 years, thats enough. Now had she divorced him after the affair I might have a small amount of respect for her, but I guess it depends on which affair and still I would probably still think she sucked. No thanks

Funny way of thinking about politics. Let us see what argumentation against Hillary for President we have here.

1. Hillary is a politician.
   I take it Monsieur Dump would prefer to elect a butcher, dentist or Avon consultant who has never seen the inside of a political party or body of elected representatives?
2. Hillary worked with her husband when he was President.
   And a very succesful President to boot: eight years in office, admired for his political sixth sense as well as for having a wife who shared his political agenda and worked for it. The Dumpster would have preferred a politically amorphous blob for a first lady -- the kind that bakes cookies and manipulates her husband in the bedroom only.
3. Hillary has not divorced her husband over his affairs
   The Major is incapable of grasping the concept of marriage which includes the notion that partners commit for life and preferably settle their marital differences by other than legal means unless said life becomes unbearable.

All in all, the Major's choice for President would be a divorced Avon consultant who is good at lighting Christmas trees.

[Watchman]

Bah. Only crooks and jerks become US prezzies anyway, it's that kind of job. I can't for the life of me comprehend why Hillary would be any worse than the other sorts of creeps you're going to have lining up at the elections.

[Kralizec]

Hillary Clinton? Why not? Let her run against Dick Cheney and we'll have yet another interesting election

[AntiochusIII]

Hillary Clinton? Why not? Let her run against Dick Cheney and we'll have yet another interesting election

That would make me regret my move to America.

We are in need of another liberal/populist move ala the New Deal or the Civil Rights movement to stabilize the overgrowth of conservatism. They had their own "resurgent" era in Reagan to balance out the old 60s liberalism already. Hillary, however, isn't a very good choice. She's too jaded a politician, methinks.

And Dick Cheney would've been just another Nixon, except more stupid and less dynamic a crook. We don't need neoconservative crooks in the White House, thank you. The Cold War is over.

I'm not sure though, that I can vote by the time of 2008. It all the depends on the Immigration whatever-office that does my naturalization. That might be good, perhaps, as I am quite in the mood of political apathy.

She doesn't stand a chance and everyone knows it.

Of course, but who else would the dems field for the election? It's not like the top of the US political hierarchy carries any outstanding personalities for the public to choose from right now.

[doc_bean]

All in all, the Major's choice for President would be a divorced Avon consultant who is good at lighting Christmas trees.

Actually, he said "why the people are against her", and they seem like pretty good reasons. The divorce thing seems laughable of course, but now most of the 'liberals' think she just stays with her husband for political reasons and the christian right won,'t vote for her because she has a bad marriage.

She doesn't stand a chance and everyone knows it.

[Major Robert Dump]

The sad part about the whole fiasco is that the Clintons have enough financial backing to get the nomination, regardless of what the general public thinks. There's a reason she isn't a Senator in Arkansas right now. The even sadder part is it would guarantee a democratic loss in the general election.

And I don't think the divorce scenario is ludicrous at all. It takes guts and integrity to stand up and walk away from something you find truly appalling, and the fact that this stupid woman stood by her man is proof that marriage is as sacred as a turd in a truck stop urinal. Please. Ever consider maybe Al Gore would have won the 2000 election had he resigned as VP when it became evident that the president lied under oath, lied about lying under oath, then played guardhouse lawyer with the definition of the word "is?" Instead Mr Gore stayed on the gravy train, kept his mouth shut and planned his next political move which made it clear he was about as genuine as a japanese cowboy. Just once, I would like someone who doesn't stand by a crony for the sake of free pie, and instead throws their arms up and says "enough." Hell, even if they don't really mean it, humor me, please.

[Kralizec]

Technicly, Gore could have won in 2000 if he emphasized more on his vice presidency under Clinton. But he was to afraid the public would be held back by their feelings about Clinton, probably wrongly so. Because honestly, Clinton vs Bush? If Clinton could have run for another term he'd have defeated Bush by a large margin.

[InsaneApache]

I'll tell you why people are against her, aside form the fact that she is too much of a politician....its because hillary as president is a package deal, just as bill was a package deal. Catch my drift? Bill and Hilary were in office 8 years, thats enough. Now had she divorced him after the affair I might have a small amount of respect for her, but I guess it depends on which affair and still I would probably still think she sucked. No thanks

I liked this bit, but didn't you mean Monica sucked?

[Monarch]

Hillary Clinton? Why not? Let her run against Dick Cheney and we'll have yet another interesting election

More interesting if Condeleeza Rice ran for the Republicans.

Now I'm British so my extent of US politics is five series of the West Wing, the news and not alot else. However this is news to me, I though Hilarly Clinton was a shoe in for the 08 presidency, I thought she's get all the womens vote, apart from the die hard rep women of course.

So yeah, perhaps Bill wont get to be The First (and actually first) Gentlemen in 08, lol.

[Spino]

And yet despite Hillary's lack of popularity I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Democrats will push her to the forefront for their 2008 run at the presidency. Stands to reason since they were boneheaded enough to get behind Kerry for their last run at the White House. About the only thing going for Kerry in the last presidential campaign was that he was the 'anything but another 4 years of Bush' choice for anyone left of center. While G.W. Bush did win handily against Kerry I believe had McCain been the incumbent we would have seen one of the most lopsided electoral & popular vote landslides since Reagan trounced Mondale.

[Tachikaze]

I think the majority of the US male public is misogynist. They'll never vote for a woman president. We've never had one, which puts us in pretty small company among industrialized nations. Among the nations who have elected female heads of state: Britain, Germany, India, Israel, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Nigeria.

We have the anti-Christ as president now, and people make these lame excuses to hate Hillary Clinton. It makes no sense.

I like AdrianII's post. I thought loyalty to one's spouse was a virtue.

[Just A Girl]

I think its a joke that they conciderd her eligable..
I know that ragan's wife did all the work but Isnt this being a bit daft even for america?

any way I dont think it matters.
Bush will win any election aslong as he has relitivs in controll of the votes in florida.

or atleast thats my oppinion.

[Devastatin Dave]

Man, dat jus be whack if dis skeezin ho be making duh Cracker House her crib again. About de only Demcrat I be consideratin be Ben Nelson. Mutha bumpa be off da hook!!! He gotz de politicizin skillz and the mad flo dat could bring dis country back together again, wit all duh hand holdin, Martin Lutha Kang lovin' old skoolz way. But ain't no way dis tuna eatin Beeatch Hillary gonna getz her handz on muy Benjamins wit socializen health care and all that shiznit. Beeatch better recognize bfor she get dealt, know wut I'm sayin?

[Reverend Joe]

What the hell is the matter with you?

[Devastatin Dave]

What the hell is the matter with you?

Wut de matta wit you? You best be stickin to de beat on dis thread or you's gonna get dealt wit a quickness.

[Xiahou]

I think the majority of the US male public is misogynist. They'll never vote for a woman president. We've never had one, which puts us in pretty small company among industrialized nations. Among the nations who have elected female heads of state: Britain, Germany, India, Israel, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Nigeria.

We have the anti-Christ as president now, and people make these lame excuses to hate Hillary Clinton. It makes no sense.

I like AdrianII's post. I thought loyalty to one's spouse was a virtue.

Wow, so much self-loathing......

[Proletariat]

I'm sorry, but you need your frigging head checked if you think there is any serious misogyny in America. There's a realistic chance we could have two female candidates next time 'round, and there's still ideological psychos out here that won't be happy until every single woman with a brain in America is a doctor or a corporate exec or a lawyer, leaving nothing but the dumbass women at home to raise the next generation.

[solypsist]

oh crap. on noes!!

[Krypta]

Wut de matta wit you? You best be stickin to de beat on dis thread or you's gonna get dealt wit a quickness.

Vanilla Ice, is that you?

[Just A Girl]

I Pitty the foo Who cant see its MR-T on crack

[Crazed Rabbit]

I know that ragan's wife did all the work but Isnt this being a bit daft even for america?

Who's this 'ragan' fellow you speak of?

I Pitty the foo Who cant see its MR-T on crack

I think Mr. T would pity your communication skills. But I don't know if even Mr. T has enough pity for that.

Crazed Rabbit

[Tachikaze]

I'm sorry, but you need your frigging head checked if you think there is any serious misogyny in America. There's a realistic chance we could have two female candidates next time 'round, and there's still ideological psychos out here that won't be happy until every single woman with a brain in America is a doctor or a corporate exec or a lawyer, leaving nothing but the dumbass women at home to raise the next generation.

We have some nice statutes to help equalize women in the eyes of the law, some of the best laws in the world. But there's a difference between what appears in our lawbooks and what I see among the general public. I've seen what has happened when women have tried to run for president or as a presidential running mate in the past. I heard the comments people, especially men, made. I heard people say that having a female running mate was politcal suicide. I watched the Hill/Thomas hearings. I've heard men after hours belittle women and slander them. I don't mean just joke or complain (as women do about men), but actually verbally attack them to symbolically subordinate them.

I will recant what I'm saying if Rice and Clinton are chosen to run in opposition as the two candidates of their respective parties.

By the way, the US never passed the Equal Rights Amendment.

[Watchman]

That's one of the main reasons I'd be willing to suspend my abject loathing of the Republican party in the context of Rice becoming the prez. If she was running against Hillary I'd be in a bit of a dilemma, because I also think it'd be a damn high time for a black prez too, so Rice'd be a nice two-in-one package, but I dislike the Dems a whole lot less as a party...

Anyway, either would hopefully help the Americans dislodge themselves from leftover Fifties ideas a bit.

[Navaros]

In my view they are not going to elect a woman President any time in the forseeable future and I highly doubt there would ever be a woman candidate. Isn't it usually the custom that they just have one "token woman" candidate in the pool before they choose the one actual candidate who will run?

Further to that, Hilary is a loser who stayed with an adulterer. Why would Americans elect a known loser as President. Not very logical.

[Watchman]

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Bush Jr.
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Twice.
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