Religious People Maby should Not read this.

[Just A Girl]

Right.

If you get offended Dont blame me.
You rpobably didnt pay attention of the post topic.

Any way heres my problem.

Its with the history of man "or the bible version"

Now in the bible it says there was adam and eve.
god made adam from dust.
then used one of adams ribs to make eve, (guess you cant make a woman from dust)

now lets supose thats just some liberal interpritation Of how adam and eve were created.
(so i can actualy beleve they existed)

Now it says They had Children (Good step towards populating the earth)

But there children happend to be 2 males......
(see a problem arizing yet?)

And then one of em kills the other one....

so for the world to have been poulated. eve would have had to sleep with her own son.
Or give birth to a daughter who could then sleep with her Brother or father???

So does this mean insest is something that god Smiles upon?
or does it just show how much BS goes in to the bible?

Personally I think it shows the amounts of BS, that goes in to the bible.

Prehaps others have diferent views or more insight on the matter.

And dont give me that metaphore bull.
It says adam and eve had 2 kids Blaitantly. Its not a metaphore thats saying 2000 people had 4000 children between em,

The bibles alredy tried to get out of saying catagorically that the world was made in 6 days,
and that the planet is only 6 thousan years old
by stating that time in the bible is relative to 100's of years.

More BS if you ask me.

any way chew on it. Mull it over,
tell me what your oppinions are.

[Strike For The South]

The old testament bible IMO needs to be taken in metaphors later than literal meaning. While I realize this may go against many christains beleif that the bible is divinely inspired. In the old testament a more metaphorical apporach is needed

[Just A Girl]

But i said....

And dont give me that metaphore bull.
It says adam and eve had 2 kids Blaitantly. Its not a metaphore thats saying 2000 people had 4000 children between em,

The bibles alredy tried to get out of saying catagorically that the world was made in 6 days,
and that the planet is only 6 thousan years old
by stating that time in the bible is relative to 100's of years.

More BS if you ask me.

any way chew on it. Mull it over,
tell me what your oppinions are.

And now you say that :(
Well never mind, Oppinions is what I asked 4.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

So does this mean insest is something that god Smiles upon?
or does it just show how much BS goes in to the bible?

Your leaving out Noah and that his family also practised incest. It wasnt until much later that incest became taboo.

[Strike For The South]

well thats my opinon . Seriously though There is another theory which intrests me. While Adam and Eve may have been the crux and the first humans. God created more so incest wouldnt be a problem.

[Just A Girl]

Your leaving out Noah and that his family also practised incest. It wasnt until much later that incest became taboo.

So do you think That means That god Is ok with insest.
And that humans got it all wrong at a later date?

Or is it more realistic That the humans who wrothe the old testament, thought insest was ok, so just Imagined thats what happend.
And at a later date humans relized Insest Really F's up the gene pool.

[Reenk Roink]

Actually, I got a pretty blunt, but now that I think about it, satisfactory answer from someone who said that brother-sister incest was allowed then because it was neccesary, and that later on this was revoked.

Whatever you accept, it's pretty clear that we came from some sort of incest. Not a thought I really like to entertain so I think I'll have some ice cream.

[Just A Girl]

Ok so given the fact that On avarage Children born from Insest have.
Either extra toes webed feet or some other Abnormalay..

How can we Be "in gods image"

for insest to have been the reason behind the population of earth, This would mean. Compared to adam and eve, We would be hugley deformed hidious monsters.

(did adam and eve only have 1 toe and the years of insest have biven us the other 4?)

or is it mopre likley that we always had 5 toes and 4 fingers and oposable thumbs?
And that insets was not a huge contibutor to the population otherwize there would be MANY more variations of humans.
Some who have distinct chariteristics compared to avarage humans.

I.E

a race of people who all have 6 toes.
or several tribes of natives who all have webbed feet?

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These days I bleve pakistani's are allowed to marry their 1rst cousins.
this also has a habit of creating deformed offspring.
So Insest between brother and sister/ father/daughte mother/son Would Definatly Irepirably damage the gene pool if it was The Only method of populating the world.

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STFS....

"i had a look but cant see where it says that happend in the bible... ? What page am i looking at?"

[Just A Girl]

I hope you guys arent religious...

Cos i realy didnt intend on discussing this with religious people.
I respect that your allowed to beleve what you like,
and its a lot les bleak than what i beleve in.

So i really wouldnt want to end up making some 1 who was religious not religious.

[Strike For The South]

I hope you guys arent religious...

Cos i realy didnt intend on discussing this with religious people.
I respect that your allowed to beleve what you like,
and its a lot les bleak than what i beleve in.

So i really wouldnt want to end up making some 1 who was religious not religious.

Trust me I will be religous. youre not saying anything I havent heard before .

[NodachiSam]

Haha, yep. A similar thing happens after the flood. Only Noah and his sons are left to re-populate the Earth. Unlike poor lonely Cane who perhaps reproduces asexually, Noah's sons at least have wives. If you take it seriously (which I don't), you can answer with, "God works in mysterious ways"

[Reenk Roink]

I guess it would only take a few generations until people could do others that were quite distant relatives...

On the first cousin thing, that intrigued me but I found this link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/healths...04-cousins.htm

Anyway, the other way it could happen (and this is my personal conjecture) is that the first evolved man (or woman) would do a similar species ape to get babies and then they would do it etc...etc...etc...

Anyway, this topic is really getting me sick, so I'm going to eat some candy...

[Papewaio]

I hope you guys arent religious...

I'm a NPG... non practicing Grammarist... but I'm thinking on joining the crusades against netspeak with your writing style.

It gives me headaches trying to figure out what you actually mean. And you're neighbours with the English! It is not like it is English as a foreign language.

[Proletariat]

Huh. So that's it. I just figured s/he/it meant to title the thread 'Religious People Maby canNot read this.'

[Strike For The South]

wait are Just A Girl and ShambelS married??//

[Just A Girl]

You guys Cant seriously beleve we were all populeted thru Insest?

You must know about the effect insest has on out gene pool.
You need Variation in the gene pool for any society to evolve,

At The VERY least. ther Has to have been 2 sets of adam and evers, Who wernt related by blood at all.

Although.
Science keeps showing us glimpses how we eveolved.

and have finaly abandoned darwin theory of evolution (at least most modern scientists have)

Now conventional science beleves we were a spearat species to apes but closley related.
we evolved and so did they.
We always had the upper hand over apes "we didnt evolve form them"

Now its beleved that there were
homo sapian. (us)
homo erectus (other human version was still around when we wer around)
and Hobits (Small pigmy people Recently discoverd on a small islan, And named after fictional boock charicters)
Living on earth at the same time.

All human like ALL, with qualaties that we would call Human.

It seems There was some sort of volcanic eruption. That caused a Huge extinction of all Races of humans..
Apart from homo sapiens.
But Homo sapien numbers Dwindeld dramatically.

Homo sapiens Had 1 thing the other humans didnt,
and that was the abilaty to survive through Adaptation.

Not all Homosapiens were this evolved at the time.
but records show atleast 2000 homosapians did survive,
Where as the hobits Died.
as well as other human species.

Now ive see these scelingtons
and they all have Similar scelital structure.
Which ALSO implys that weve always been this hape,
And insest has not been the leading contirbutor to our populus..

Personally.
I beleve that these 2000 homosapiens. (they were in africa btw)
Then went to populate the world.

And with carbondating We can follow them on there jorney from africa to europe and beond.

These recent discoverys trurned Alot of conventional Evolution theorys on there heads.

Then given the fact that the Legendary Missing link Was found alive and well at the bottom of the sea and its known as a sealer camp.
That kind of makes darwins theory obsoleet,

But darwins monkey story is still better than a man made from dust had a woman made from his rib, Who then went to poulate the world through insest.

[Papewaio]

wait are Just A Girl and ShambelS married??//

and with your gRammar are you their sun?

[Reenk Roink]

Any view of human origin, whether it be creation or evolution, has got to include some incest....

[Just A Girl]

I dunno why you gusy complain.
If it gives you a head ache dont read it.
if your not contibuting to the thread, Dont post.

Why would Any 1 go out of there way to publicly express distain over some 1s grammer.
In a post which they have no real contribution to add ?

Im begining to expect this from some of the newest members.
And obviously some members just try to lighten the mood of any given topic with a witizism,

but For a mod to publicy Come and tell me I give him head aches.

There only 1 thing i can say.

"You know where Ignoe is"

[Proletariat]

Edit: Forget it. Waay too much to ask.

[Reenk Roink]

Also incest sometimes causes mutations, which would explain our diversity(and how messed up we are...).

Still, I don't know, and nobody really does, so my advice is to talk about something else, but not pick on spelling or grammer guys...TaHt esss Ju5t 50 n00Beschh and i YoUse h4x...

[Papewaio]

Now now Shambles if you are going to point out the splinters in peoples eyes be expected to be niggled about the beams in yours. And as a Mod I cannot ignore people and on the same note I am not a Mod in this forum... and I definitly like reading about peoples convictions... more the way they conclude things then the conclusions.

[Just A Girl]

Never the less.
Its advisable Not to antagonize any poster By entering a topic,
With an off topic Comment about The members Grammer And Further more adding that It gives you head aches.

Its Not Acceptable behaviour for a member,
So why is it acceptable for a mod to storm in to a perfectly civilized topic With this bull?

Now.
You havent seen me Picking fights with any 1 of late.
Beirut is on my ignore list,
and I dont view the front room,

So whats your problem?

[Strike For The South]

before this becomes a thing. I suggest we stop

[Just A Girl]

I made a topic.
we were here all civilised Then MOD of the month barges in.
With his Great debate about the origins of humans,
And look at this,

Great moding M8.
Way to keep the forum in line

[NodachiSam]

Like I said, I don't take it seriously, but maybe you weren't talking to me.

Just a note though, homo-erectus is a common ancestor of both homo sapiens and neanderthals who I think you intended as they did in live at the same time as our ancestors.

Papewaio: Admittedly, that post wasn't the cleanest but I don't see how lacking a single apostrophe renders the sentence unintelligable.

[Just A Girl]

Yes i did mean neanderthal's.

although i had assumed they were one in the same.
Due to neanderthals and homo-erectus having almost the same bone structure.

Never the less these days neither are conciderd a decendant from apes. Mearly a relative.

but this does not change the fact that there were a few diferent types of humans Living in diferent places.
And the hobits were all alone on an island Inhabited only by them .

This some what renders the insest populated the world thanx to adam and ever obsolete.

[Papewaio]

Get off your high horse. A thread that will antagonise anyone who is religious. Mixing metaphors with literal sentences. Sentence structure that makes it hard to figure out what you are saying let alone decide if there is anything deep within the structure. It is the visual equivalent of a drunkards slurring.

The onus in communication does not lie with the listener, it lies with the sender in sending understandable information.

If you want to have a deep and meaningful discussion about things, at least match it with the prose.

Netspeak makes for poor communication and for misunderstandings.

Unintelligeble sentences are not conducive to intelligent converstations.

[Just A Girl]

And your Input to this thread Is not needed Nor wanted Papewaio.

maby the new members dont Mind your Antagonistic belitteling and Patronizing remarks.

But i wont take any of it,

if you have a problem with me Spit it out.
Stop hiding behind This bull shit.

Its obvious You have been offended by Mo topic,
Which you shouldnt have read if your Religious,.
The Damn Topic name name is enough for that.

Its not like You needed to check to make shure it was all ok in here As you dont even mod the back room,

Your intentions seem to be obvious.

1. Insult grammer Insite of topic debate and Distrupt topic.

2. Antagonize response which could warrant thread closure.

3, Be happy in knowing that your presious religion hasent come under close scrutiny.

Im gonna ask you 1ce more,

If you dont have Anything worth will to add to this topic PLEASE dont post in here,
You are distrupting a civilized conversation,

Well atleat it was civilized till You arived.

[Lemur]

I can't believe nobody's brought up Lot and his daughters. That's some freaky stuff. They get him drunk, then they decide to have sex with the old man so that their family won't die out. And they do it in a cave, right after mom turns into a pillar of salt.

Either people were way way kinkier five thousand years ago, or the Old Testament has a lot of metaphor in it.

Why on earth would a discussion of incest make people lose their religion? Incest isn't even nearly the worst stuff that happens in the OT. Check out what God does to Job, and all because Satan hits him up with a bet. Or read the part where God tells Abraham a thing or two about child care.

God is, by definition, unkowable. We can't understand him, or his motives; if we could, he wouldn't be God. Why people beat their heads bloody trying to unravel this paradox or that is beyond this Lemur. It's as though we're insects trying to unravel the meaning of a 747 widebody. Give it up. The unknowable is unknowable, the divine is unfathomable. Don't let a little trans-human weirdness put you off the whole God thing.