Religious People Maby should Not read this.

[Just A Girl]

You may not get a listing,
But you know there there.

there is only referance to 1 woman, eve,
And then Several men,
Adam is called man.
not men.
but this sentance is strctured in the old fasioned way

"And Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being."

Being so vague you can draw your own conclusions.

(they were good at that back then, Saying things with multiple meanings so even if they were wrong they were technicaly right)

But if we take that above sentance to mean, that Man as in all human males.

Then this...
"And the man had knowledge of Eve"
Implys eve was pounced on by the entier male populous.
So i guess we can dissregard Man as meaning all men.

they even HAD to have children as they couldnt manage the old farming..

"and she conceived and gave birth to Cain. And she said, "I have brought forth a man with the help of Yahweh." 5
2 And she continued to bear his brother, Abel. Now Abel kept flocks and Cain worked the soil."

So i dont see how You can say it's
"all the men and women in the world were just given the name adam and eve to save having to mention the extras"

They went on to mention all the sons....
and not 1 daughter
but there were these 2

"Lamech married two women: the name of the first was Adah and the name of the second was Zillah"

But, i must admit.
The bible isnt the best for having women in it.
actualy there usualy vilans...

Still.
I dont see how you can Build a religion on a bunch of storys.
And then when there shown to be improbable/faulse/Ludicrous.
or the miracles/possesions are easily explained by science.

The rligion does not re evaluate its position.

2 me
religion is a science,
Its a really basic science, Its just people want an explanation for stuff.
Religion is a nice few storys with a happy ending.
Unless you dont do what society wants you to do to make it richer that is,
then its a hell fire n brimstone ending.

But unlike Scienece, Religion dosent re asses its position on the matter when new evidence comes to life.

religion puts the blinkers on and Choses ignorence over knowlage.

And that bugs me 2.

[Papewaio]

Literature normally has multiple layers of meaning... otherwise Oscar Wilde could be a tad boring if taken literally to the nth degree.

Also remember that the bible is a reduced collection of many other books and versions of other myths of times even older.

As a method of describing the world given its time period it isn't too bad.

BTW we are all formed of at least 3rd generation star dust.

[Just A Girl]

Literature normally has multiple layers of meaning... otherwise Oscar Wilde could be a tad boring if taken literally to the nth degree.

Also remember that the bible is a reduced collection of many other books and versions of other myths of times even older.

As a method of describing the world given its time period it isn't too bad.

BTW we are all formed of at least 3rd generation star dust.

Well atleast we agree on something.

although for some 1 who seems to understand that we wernt literaly made as the bible says.
you seem to have a hard time with what i am saying.

You have stated this.
Also remember that the bible is a reduced collection of many other books and versions of other myths of times even older.


Which isprety much what I mean...
myths arent real. There usualy based on some actual event but thats not always true either.
And then they go and add lots of exiting things to keep the story's interesting and memorable.

From this came some religions.
And now we have proven that most of whats writen is not fact.
And the rest is probably metaphore.

yet the religions still insist that they are correct,
Even though The very foundations of the religion have been removed.

I beleve its time for religion to Moove on from this pre historic version of religion.
Where all the diferent things of life are explained my silly little storys.

There are Logical ways to explain these things now. Scientific ways.

And although they technically undermine the teachings of the bible.
They in actual fact dont.

They just say well actualy thats wrong. But its a nice story and has a good ending and a nice morral to it.

Science Hasent disproven god.
And if anything will ever prove there is a god it will be science.
So i beleve religions should take a more scientific aproch to life.

And beleve in the big bang,
and evolution.

But it does not mean they cant belive in god.
After al i have already said, something must have created the big bang.
now the way i figure it, there has to have been something to beable to create dust,

I know that space sonsists of matter and anti matter.
and its not actualy just empty space at all.
its full to the brim with all kinds of stuff,
(dont ask me what anti matter is, Il tell you when the scientists know)

so i guess they could have caused the big bang just by there being amtter and anti matter.

But then again There still has to be a source for this matter and anti matter.

so that is why i dont tell you there is no god.
i just say i dont think there is one.
"atleast not in the conventional sence"

As far as i know there is only 1 creature in the universe that can make something out of nothing.

And thats a woman.

And you guys say god is a man.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Your central point in this thread seems to be that the Old Testament is a story about what actually happened, but you must remember it was written a long time ago and includes stories from even long ago, one of which may be genesis.

The fact it that the naming system back then was different, Adam could have been the tribe led by Adam with all the associated slaves wives and children.

That is a possible explanation however I prefer this one:
The process of evolution works on single individuals so at one point there was one ''human'' who was the child of successive mutations through the first generations. In early human history a certain degree of incest would have been needed in order to increase the frequency of the unique human genes. So the model of Adam then eve is fine as their children could have easily married proto humans who were themselves slightly genetically different. Incest was not as large a problem in the past as it is now because natural selection would have killed off any mutants with disadvantageous genes, indeed it is used in dog and other animal breeding regularly and is only a problem when those with defective traits are allowed to reproduce.
Evidence of this is furthered by science apparently all the Native American populations are descended form 6 men and 4 women (don't ask me how that works!) this is also furthered by mitochondrial DNA evidence which alludes to a singe female descendant for the entire human race!

The fact is there was a great catastrophe in our ancient history which you have already alluded to and this could either be the basis of the Noah's arc story or the story of Adam and eve as after a freak disaster that has changed the world, the few human survivors feel as though they are in a newly created world.