Includes America and Azteks? Huh?

[Divinus Arma]

So. Good idea or bad idea?

[sapi]

It can't hurt to broarden the game; if you don't like it just conquer europe first...

[Weebeast]

I don't know why I should hate it. However, if the Aztecs invade Europe then I would be pissed.

I believe they should make conquering America worth my time.

[Gurkhal]

I wouldn't mind even if the Aztecs invaded Europe. Never bought any TW game because I wanted to watch a historical documentary.

[sapi]

I wouldn't mind even if the Aztecs invaded Europe. Never bought any TW game because I wanted to watch a historical documentary.

I wouldn't mind this happening if a faction attacked them, lost, then got chased back to europe...

[Weebeast]

I always try to do what some people/civilizations didn't do but there's standard. When playing Byzantine I always wipe out Turks first. It's not historically correct but Byzantine could wipe out Turks. The 'Americans' didn't even try set up expeditions beyond atlantic how could they invade Europe?

Maybe I'm just nitpicking or whatever. I admit I'd probably try to invade Europe when I play as Aztecs but it kinda defeats the purpose of basing a game on historical events then. CA should've come up with Celtic Invasion expansion; an invasion to Jutland by the Celts.

[Gazi Husrev-Beg]

However, if the Aztecs invade Europe then I would be pissed.

Ohhhh LOL....i would be pissed ..i would take game and flush it down the toilet.Than i would start playing MTW

[SirGrotius]

Gah!

I think it's generally a silly idea, though I can imagine in some MP games lining up some Teutonic Chargers against some jaded Aztecs could be appealing.

[ghostcamel]

It can't hurt to broarden the game; if you don't like it just conquer europe first...

I hope there are more factions than just the Aztecs in the Americas, even if they arent playable. It would give it some more depth i would think. Plus it would keep them from being totally inactive, waiting for invasion.

How could this possibly be bad? Maybe theyll have two different types of 'water' or vessels. Deep ocean or coastal. Im not sure what the limitation was historically but if it was made sufficently difficult to achieve it could be very cool. Besides, they havent said how far east the map goes. I would be happy if they opened up Africa further also.

Again, how can it be bad? In theory, its good. Of course you can screw up anything. But.... MW2 looks fantastic visually and nearly every featureset has been improved above RTW.

MW2 still has the possiblilty of sucking, but looking over previews and listening to CA over time about how theyve changed production since RTW. I kinda have high hopes for it.

[King Yngvar]

With those type of ships it was impossible to a establish a permanent settlement. Only in the 15th century did the possibility for colonization of america arrived, and even then it was very slow and difficult.

It could have been done, but there were simply too few people interested in moving to the new world at that time. The "colony" only lasted for a few years, had it been properly organized by a kingdom it might have happened, if that kingdom had any reason to flee that is.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Gah! It could go either way. Counquering those underdeveloped and barbaric Europeans with the Azteks could be fun, but it should be very unlikely to get that working otherwise it would be to unhistorical. As for conquering the Americas as the Spanish, it could be interesting, but much of that conquest had to do with the ability of getting allies and use diplomacy to turn local tribes against each others, so if there's no good diplomacy allowing for something similar it just become a series of battles without depth plus might detract from the gameplay in the rest of the game - Europe for example. If the faction slot could have been used for other European factions it's also a negative thing. But if the naval aspect of the game is improved then the whole colonization thing could make the late games more interesting.

[doc_bean]

Gah!

We shall see how it works out, but I would have preferred an eastern expansion (India !) and/or possibly an African expansion (there were African kingdoms at the time weren't there ?). Both would have made playing as a muslim faction more interesting.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Gah!

We shall see how it works out, but I would have preferred an eastern expansion (India !) and/or possibly an African expansion (there were African kingdoms at the time weren't there ?). Both would have made playing as a muslim faction more interesting.

That's actually a very good idea The Portuguese started exploring the African coast in the early 15th century, almost 100 years before the game's ending date. Plus they opened a path to India with Vasco da Gama quite early as well. Actually it's much more logical to expand to include Africa and India before even thinking about expanding the map to include America, but I guess the America stuff is made for the popular 12 years old market, might attract more Spanish and American players who knows?

[King Ragnar]

I dont like it, i cant see how they will get it to work with out making the game really unaccurate historically.

[Shahed]

It's easy just think AOE ;)

[Silver Rusher]

I dont like it, i cant see how they will get it to work with out making the game really unaccurate historically.

Why?

[ajaxfetish]

I voted for 'hate it,' but I don't really hate it, I just don't like it, but there wasn't such an option. My interest lies in Medieval Europe, and that is what I want to play. I think it'd work for an expansion (though I'd prefer something to bring in the earlier dark ages), but I'd rather not have it involved in my main gameplay. Hopefully the influence of the faction will be very limited.

That's actually a very good idea The Portuguese started exploring the African coast in the early 15th century, almost 100 years before the game's ending date. Plus they opened a path to India with Vasco da Gama quite early as well. Actually it's much more logical to expand to include Africa and India before even thinking about expanding the map to include America, but I guess the America stuff is made for the popular 12 years old market, might attract more Spanish and American players who knows?

More logical, yes. But of course there are probably more potential buyers in America than Nigeria, etc., and as you pointed out they've got to make the game for their market.

Ajax

[WarMachine420]

That's actually a very good idea The Portuguese started exploring the African coast in the early 15th century, almost 100 years before the game's ending date. Plus they opened a path to India with Vasco da Gama quite early as well. Actually it's much more logical to expand to include Africa and India before even thinking about expanding the map to include America, but I guess the America stuff is made for the popular 12 years old market, might attract more Spanish and American players who knows?

Right...because Spain and America have nothing but 12 year olds living in them right?

African coast? Bunch of ignorant half breeded sand creatures running around learning how to cover up their own dung.

^ about as ignorant as what you said.

[econ21]

I can't find the post you quote in this thread. It certainly has not been posted in the last few months. Regardless, please avoid flaming others.

[Prince Cobra]

I don't like it. It is too unrealistic (before Columbus nobody new them and they have only some decades to win) and they are very different from the factions of the 'old world'. But if they are a separate campaign- no problem!

[Martok]

To be honest, adding the Aztecs feels to me like so much "fluff". I hope there will be the option to disable the "New World" part of the campaign, as I have absolutely no wish to play it.

[Craterus]

To be honest, adding the Aztecs feels to me like so much "fluff". I hope there will be the option to disable the "New World" part of the campaign, as I have absolutely no wish to play it.

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

[Attrebus]

I personally say that the Americas should be scrapped, and instead the Meso-American civs should be used to further populate Europe.

[Martok]

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

Except that I don't want anyone *else* to be able to sail to the Americas, either; therefore I want the option to disable it.

[sapi]

Except that I don't want anyone *else* to be able to sail to the Americas, either; therefore I want the option to disable it.

To disable it, kill all the other factions before the opportunity presents itself

[NodachiSam]

I think its a really bad idea and I'm nervous about how they'll implement it. I wish they would have gone east or perhaps straight west. I suspect and hope they put it into a different map/campaign. Having a middle and lower American totalwar campaign could totaly work though the arrival of the spanish probably would be nerfed for balance.

[pyradyn]

I actualy think its a good idea since you cant go early in the game. Yes it is Medieval total war but the renisance started in the 1400's so about 150 years is renesance and in this time very little war at least benifit wars were really fought most looked to the new world to strengthen their empire and rid the stalemate. Oh and just to let you know 12 year old american gamers are to busy playing there **** hack and slash shooter games lol dont get me wrong thos can be fun. but for the well more "educated and older" of us Americans we stick to Stragety and a few RPG's.

So pack up your ship and make room for your coffers its time to sail to America. Althoug actualy I would like to go to China and Japan if that far mabey India but they already made up their minds and it has already been marketed so its not gona change best be optimistic

[Bob the Insane]

Well Columbus "discovered" the americas in 1492 (though some argue for 1485) and the Conquistadors did over the Aztech by 1522 and did the same for the Incas in 1539...

For a game with a European focus and a time period of 1080-1530 this is possible but very much a small part of the end game. Mind you if they handle the economics better in this version (and you are not aready rediculously rich by this point) then the trade and gold coming from the new world could give the conquoring faction a real boost for the last few years...

I wonder if the "discovery" will be a slightly randomized event like the Marius reforms...

I can see the point of it's inclusion because it is an area conquored by europeans within the time period of the game, unlike all the other places that where "discovered" at the time...

Overall I am Gah!, because I am unsure how it will turn out...

P.S. I say "dsicovered" in that manner because the act of being discovered is always a serious surprize to the people already living there and who didn't realise that they where lost in the first place!

Also... I wonder if they are reintroducing the Glorious Achievements gmae again?!?! Spain would have to conquror that Aztecs to get the points!! That would be sweet...

[Servius]

The Aztecs were a joke. Still fighting with pointy sticks, sharp rocks...they never even made it to the bronze age, and they're supposed to pose a credible challenge to rifles, heavy cavalry, war galleons...oh, that's right, they didn't.

I'm not sure what the point is. The Aztecs in the middle ages had the military technology of the britons in Roman times. If they wanted to link in a semi-formidable foreign chalenge, Japan anyone? MTW+STW ftw!!!

[Lord Adherbal]

I hope we won't be seeing the aztec faction in every other MP game. That'd seriously decrease the medieval atmosphere and realism. So they should atleast be seriously underpowered.