Includes America and Azteks? Huh?

[Divinus Arma]

So. Good idea or bad idea?

[sapi]

It can't hurt to broarden the game; if you don't like it just conquer europe first...

[Weebeast]

I don't know why I should hate it. However, if the Aztecs invade Europe then I would be pissed.

I believe they should make conquering America worth my time.

[Gurkhal]

I wouldn't mind even if the Aztecs invaded Europe. Never bought any TW game because I wanted to watch a historical documentary.

[sapi]

I wouldn't mind even if the Aztecs invaded Europe. Never bought any TW game because I wanted to watch a historical documentary.

I wouldn't mind this happening if a faction attacked them, lost, then got chased back to europe...

[Weebeast]

I always try to do what some people/civilizations didn't do but there's standard. When playing Byzantine I always wipe out Turks first. It's not historically correct but Byzantine could wipe out Turks. The 'Americans' didn't even try set up expeditions beyond atlantic how could they invade Europe?

Maybe I'm just nitpicking or whatever. I admit I'd probably try to invade Europe when I play as Aztecs but it kinda defeats the purpose of basing a game on historical events then. CA should've come up with Celtic Invasion expansion; an invasion to Jutland by the Celts.

[The_Doctor]

They said you need certain technology to cross the atlantic and I don't think the Aztecs will have to tech.

I think will emerge as a faction after a certain date, or they would have ~500 years to conquer and build a massive army. This would make them hard to beat.

Also, I don't they will be playable, unless you mod the game.

[Ianofsmeg16]

In an interview one of the CA guys said that one of the 'playable' factions are the aztecs

[Rodion Romanovich]

Gah! It could go either way. Counquering those underdeveloped and barbaric Europeans with the Azteks could be fun, but it should be very unlikely to get that working otherwise it would be to unhistorical. As for conquering the Americas as the Spanish, it could be interesting, but much of that conquest had to do with the ability of getting allies and use diplomacy to turn local tribes against each others, so if there's no good diplomacy allowing for something similar it just become a series of battles without depth plus might detract from the gameplay in the rest of the game - Europe for example. If the faction slot could have been used for other European factions it's also a negative thing. But if the naval aspect of the game is improved then the whole colonization thing could make the late games more interesting.

[doc_bean]

Gah!

We shall see how it works out, but I would have preferred an eastern expansion (India !) and/or possibly an African expansion (there were African kingdoms at the time weren't there ?). Both would have made playing as a muslim faction more interesting.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Gah!

We shall see how it works out, but I would have preferred an eastern expansion (India !) and/or possibly an African expansion (there were African kingdoms at the time weren't there ?). Both would have made playing as a muslim faction more interesting.

That's actually a very good idea The Portuguese started exploring the African coast in the early 15th century, almost 100 years before the game's ending date. Plus they opened a path to India with Vasco da Gama quite early as well. Actually it's much more logical to expand to include Africa and India before even thinking about expanding the map to include America, but I guess the America stuff is made for the popular 12 years old market, might attract more Spanish and American players who knows?

[King Ragnar]

I dont like it, i cant see how they will get it to work with out making the game really unaccurate historically.

[Shahed]

It's easy just think AOE ;)

[Akka]

Though more options is always welcome, I really don't see what the Aztecs have to do with medieval europe.

Seems a largely artificial addition that detract from the point of the game.
I would have much prefered an enlarged map including more of the east/mid-east world to make the Crusade deeper.

[Silver Rusher]

I dont like it, i cant see how they will get it to work with out making the game really unaccurate historically.

Why?

[Antiochius]

I don`t like it. i want to play in Europe and not in America

[Roberto]

Well fight in europe instead and do not bother about america simple as

[Taurus]

I think that it will be a great addition both in campaign map size (hopefully) and in many other respects.

[The_Doctor]

In an interview one of the CA guys said that one of the 'playable' factions are the aztecs

Only in MP/custom

[Silver Rusher]

never mind

[King Henry V]

I hate it and I find it would ruin the game if they stuck it in the vanilla campaign map.
However, it it not a bad idea for an expansion on a seperate map.

[Mithrandir]

The more the merrier :).

[A.Saturnus]

It depends how they implement it.

[ajaxfetish]

I voted for 'hate it,' but I don't really hate it, I just don't like it, but there wasn't such an option. My interest lies in Medieval Europe, and that is what I want to play. I think it'd work for an expansion (though I'd prefer something to bring in the earlier dark ages), but I'd rather not have it involved in my main gameplay. Hopefully the influence of the faction will be very limited.

That's actually a very good idea The Portuguese started exploring the African coast in the early 15th century, almost 100 years before the game's ending date. Plus they opened a path to India with Vasco da Gama quite early as well. Actually it's much more logical to expand to include Africa and India before even thinking about expanding the map to include America, but I guess the America stuff is made for the popular 12 years old market, might attract more Spanish and American players who knows?

More logical, yes. But of course there are probably more potential buyers in America than Nigeria, etc., and as you pointed out they've got to make the game for their market.

Ajax

[Ludens]

It depends how they implement it.

I agree. Though I remain sceptical, I will refrain from judging until I know more.

[Prince Cobra]

I don't like it. It is too unrealistic (before Columbus nobody new them and they have only some decades to win) and they are very different from the factions of the 'old world'. But if they are a separate campaign- no problem!

[Martok]

To be honest, adding the Aztecs feels to me like so much "fluff". I hope there will be the option to disable the "New World" part of the campaign, as I have absolutely no wish to play it.

[Craterus]

To be honest, adding the Aztecs feels to me like so much "fluff". I hope there will be the option to disable the "New World" part of the campaign, as I have absolutely no wish to play it.

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

[Attrebus]

I personally say that the Americas should be scrapped, and instead the Meso-American civs should be used to further populate Europe.

[Martok]

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

Except that I don't want anyone *else* to be able to sail to the Americas, either; therefore I want the option to disable it.