Includes America and Azteks? Huh?

[Craterus]

To be honest, adding the Aztecs feels to me like so much "fluff". I hope there will be the option to disable the "New World" part of the campaign, as I have absolutely no wish to play it.

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

[Attrebus]

I personally say that the Americas should be scrapped, and instead the Meso-American civs should be used to further populate Europe.

[Martok]

You won't HAVE to go there. If you get the opportunity, just ignore it.

Except that I don't want anyone *else* to be able to sail to the Americas, either; therefore I want the option to disable it.

[sapi]

Except that I don't want anyone *else* to be able to sail to the Americas, either; therefore I want the option to disable it.

To disable it, kill all the other factions before the opportunity presents itself

[AntiochusIII]

I absolutely hate the idea, since it directs the focus away from the true game: Medieval Europe. This is Medieval: Total War (II).

Africa AND Asia are the TRUE extensions if they wish to do so. The Americas were completely out of the Medieval scope, no matter where you look from. The Mali (sp?) kingdom in Africa, and the Khwarasmian empire in Asia, on the other hand...

The African gold trade was important, and one king of that kingdom even visited Mecca in a glamorous fashion. Surely Mecca is part of the Medieval world? The Khwarasmian empire also crossed swords with the Mongols.

If they're in vanilla, they better stay out. Completely. A seperate campaign is fine, though.

[Akka]

Africa AND Asia are the TRUE extensions if they wish to do so. The Americas were completely out of the Medieval scope, no matter where you look from.

Exactly my thoughts.

[Hôjô Ujimara]

It's a really bad idea, if I wanted to conquer the Americas they're lots of games for that, but I want Europe.....

Fond memories of the past months on MTW could never be returned if the Americas were included. And as for Africa and Asia, it should only span partly down Africa, like the Egyptian Nile length, and only span to the edge of the Caspian to include Baghdad. A large map would make the game even longer than it should be, haulign units over the Atlantic doesn't soudn interesting to me, and if there's an increased speed for the boats, that menas you could whizz around Europe easily.

So in short, it should be removed.

[NodachiSam]

I think its a really bad idea and I'm nervous about how they'll implement it. I wish they would have gone east or perhaps straight west. I suspect and hope they put it into a different map/campaign. Having a middle and lower American totalwar campaign could totaly work though the arrival of the spanish probably would be nerfed for balance.

[pyradyn]

I actualy think its a good idea since you cant go early in the game. Yes it is Medieval total war but the renisance started in the 1400's so about 150 years is renesance and in this time very little war at least benifit wars were really fought most looked to the new world to strengthen their empire and rid the stalemate. Oh and just to let you know 12 year old american gamers are to busy playing there **** hack and slash shooter games lol dont get me wrong thos can be fun. but for the well more "educated and older" of us Americans we stick to Stragety and a few RPG's.

So pack up your ship and make room for your coffers its time to sail to America. Althoug actualy I would like to go to China and Japan if that far mabey India but they already made up their minds and it has already been marketed so its not gona change best be optimistic

[Bob the Insane]

Well Columbus "discovered" the americas in 1492 (though some argue for 1485) and the Conquistadors did over the Aztech by 1522 and did the same for the Incas in 1539...

For a game with a European focus and a time period of 1080-1530 this is possible but very much a small part of the end game. Mind you if they handle the economics better in this version (and you are not aready rediculously rich by this point) then the trade and gold coming from the new world could give the conquoring faction a real boost for the last few years...

I wonder if the "discovery" will be a slightly randomized event like the Marius reforms...

I can see the point of it's inclusion because it is an area conquored by europeans within the time period of the game, unlike all the other places that where "discovered" at the time...

Overall I am Gah!, because I am unsure how it will turn out...

P.S. I say "dsicovered" in that manner because the act of being discovered is always a serious surprize to the people already living there and who didn't realise that they where lost in the first place!

Also... I wonder if they are reintroducing the Glorious Achievements gmae again?!?! Spain would have to conquror that Aztecs to get the points!! That would be sweet...

[Servius]

The Aztecs were a joke. Still fighting with pointy sticks, sharp rocks...they never even made it to the bronze age, and they're supposed to pose a credible challenge to rifles, heavy cavalry, war galleons...oh, that's right, they didn't.

I'm not sure what the point is. The Aztecs in the middle ages had the military technology of the britons in Roman times. If they wanted to link in a semi-formidable foreign chalenge, Japan anyone? MTW+STW ftw!!!

[Voigtkampf]

I'm not sure what the point is. The Aztecs in the middle ages had the military technology of the britons in Roman times. If they wanted to link in a semi-formidable foreign chalenge, Japan anyone? MTW+STW ftw!!!

In words of cool, logical Vulcans: "That would be agreeable."

[Lord Adherbal]

I hope we won't be seeing the aztec faction in every other MP game. That'd seriously decrease the medieval atmosphere and realism. So they should atleast be seriously underpowered.

[Hepcat]

I like the idea, I am looking forward to discovering the New World, and hopefully playing as the Aztecs and invading the Old World. Although that wouldn't have been possible in reality it is still a game. The point of it is that you CAN change history. It would be stupid if you could only defeat the nations that you historically defeated, how fun would that be?

[Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)]

There are o lot of options for this game and the map.I will show you 2 options:
1)Why you don't like America because when America is discovered the Europe is not so medieval anymore.So they should make America bigger to include other factions from america.It would be fun to play as azteks an fight for supremacy in america and after that to construct ships and take europe.
2)They should make america bigger and add the asia and africa.I think this would be the best solution even the game will be finished in 2007.

[hoetje]

Are you nuts?:P
i wanna play this game 3th November as said.
I don't wanna wait any longer:P
Besides,if you include all of those continents,I think the campaign map will be too big and it won't be fun to play anymore.You don't have an overview of the campaign map , in other words,when you include the entire world in the game

[JR-]

i would have preffered Eurasia instead of Europe+New World.

[Bakma]

i would have preffered Eurasia instead of Europe+New World.

I agree with you it would be good if we would have central asia till china.
And also the timurids safavids and moghuls as playable factions.

I see on the map that the areas kaukasus arabia and north afrika are to big so if you conquer them it is like if you would conquer 4-5 areas from europa

[Bakma]

what i mean is europe plus central asia

[Orb]

Personally, I'd love Makuria (Orthodox Christian Nubia).

I think it would be far better done if they had different start dates (E.g. 1080, 1205, 1321, 1450) and you get to take the Aztecs as playable (with very weak troops compared to Europeans and a reform option to allow better troops if the in the last.

Also, I'd like to see Europeans competing to reach the new world, so the date of discovery (and strength of expedition) varied with the stability of Europe and thus the Aztecs would have more or less time to prepare.

Regardless, adding Nubia and giving a fluid Egyptian reform (Fatimid-Ayyubid, based on religion - Salah al-Din is a powerful Shi'a governor, worse infantry and archers, better and more numerous cavalry) with civil war included would be nice.

[Marius Dynamite]

It sounds like a good Idea to me but it depends on other things in the campaign. I don't want to be the only nation in Europe in the early 1300s because it was so easy and then send my huge armies to conquer the new world. Some competition home and abroad would be nice. I'm having trouble Imagining how the campaign map will look. Surely it will take several turns to reach the New world with one fleet. The Atlantic is big, how will the campaign map be laid out?

[Dan.o6]

I think the best part of having the Aztecs around will be trying out their units in custom battles :D

[Yun Dog]

erm I thought it was MEDIEVIL total war

not Conquestidors Total War

erm Chrstopher Columbus....

this game has lost the plot... AOE4 with RTW graphics engine

ppffft was thinking of buying it just to look at the graphics for 5 minutes... now Im thinking it will just make me very very angry

[hoetje]

Yunus , don't be so pessimistic omg