Includes America and Azteks? Huh?

[Sykotyk Rampage]

L'Anse-aux-Meadows one of the Viking settlements in Newfoundland Canada dated to between 860 and 1060. 500 years before Columbus. They also had other settlements and explored into Nova Scotia, Maine, New England. So yes it was quite possible they could have explored farther south. It seems they never did, or we will never know.

Can't wait to sail my Scots into the gulf of Mexico.

[Dooz]

How can this not be a good thing? It's something new. Enjoy! Who cares if it's not perfect. It can be modded to come close! Sure the map could have extended East instead, but that's easily moddable once again, and it would have been the obvious choice. Personally I'm excited about this. Opens up new and interesting options and such...

[Sarmatian]

L'Anse-aux-Meadows one of the Viking settlements in Newfoundland Canada dated to between 860 and 1060. 500 years before Columbus. They also had other settlements and explored into Nova Scotia, Maine, New England. So yes it was quite possible they could have explored farther south. It seems they never did, or we will never know.

Can't wait to sail my Scots into the gulf of Mexico.

Yes, but is there a single viking-descendant living in Canada today? What happened with all those settlements? They didn`t last. With those type of ships it was impossible to a establish a permanent settlement. Only in the 15th century did the possibility for colonization of america arrived, and even then it was very slow and difficult.

[Craterus]

Yes, but is there a single viking-descendant living in Canada today?

I'd bet that there is. There were Viking descendants in Britain, and some Americans/Canadians are descendants of the British.

[Sykotyk Rampage]

Hi everyone…. it’s sunny here and –36 Celsius, with a load of snow that blocks my view out a second story window………

America should be in the game. When the game starts the Vikings still had colonies and contact with Native Americans –the Beothuk natives in Newfoundland and other Islands along the coast.



Viking Village in Newfoundland Canada

The Viking colonies are dated from around 780 to 1210 almost 500 years of colonization. That is just the one colony in Newfounland. Artifacts have been found and are carbon dated and cross-matched with other Norse artifacts from the main colonies in Iceland/Greenland/Norway.

So I believe the whole east coast of America should be in the game from Greenland down to the Gulf of Mexico. Exploration and expansion was a part of Medieval World and I am excited to even get a small part of real history so I can skew it to my view of the world…………



a smoky long house -villa in every Mexican village run by Scots men with an attitude and great tans.

I am taking bookings now………..

Also a note; most Canadians are not descendants of Britain, there is a large amount, but the French have a larger per capita decadency lineage. The Dutch, Germanic also make up a very large part.

enjoy your weather now ..........because you could have snow (please note if you like snow ignore this)

[Craterus]

Also a note; most Canadians are not descendants of Britain, there is a large amount, but the French have a larger per capita decadency lineage. The Dutch, Germanic also make up a very large part.

I was toying with putting some. But for some reason, I settled on putting most. No idea why, I edited it anyway.

[Sykotyk Rampage]

Hi Craterus,

You didn't have to edit it. I was really just adding to your comment. My mother was born in Walsall so my brothers and I are some of the people you are talking about. Which, if I could I would move to England so my descendents could repopulate Britain with Canadians that are decended from Britian....lol Do you get snow

cheers

[Craterus]

Snow in Britain happens, the further north you get. I live in the south and I haven't seen snow in two years.

[Sarmatian]

I'd bet that there is. There were Viking descendants in Britain, and some Americans/Canadians are descendants of the British.

Yes but they came after 15th century. A few centuries after... Don`t be so literal. How can I put this so that everybody understand? Discovery of america by the vikings didn`t have any impact on the course of history.

[Hurin_Rules]

I have to agree it would have been far better to include China or India in the game than the Aztecs. It just doesn't seem to fit the time. The Americas were only discovered at the end of the Middle Ages, and the great campaigns of conquest happened after the period had ended and the Renaissance had begun. The Americas had no real impact on Europe until after the Middle Ages.

I guess including the Aztecs will help Sega's sales in Mexico, but other than that, I can't really see any good reason for including them, other than eye candy.

[Zenicetus]

I have to agree it would have been far better to include China or India in the game than the Aztecs. It just doesn't seem to fit the time. The Americas were only discovered at the end of the Middle Ages, and the great campaigns of conquest happened after the period had ended and the Renaissance had begun. The Americas had no real impact on Europe until after the Middle Ages.

I guess including the Aztecs will help Sega's sales in Mexico, but other than that, I can't really see any good reason for including them, other than eye candy.

It might not make much sense if you consider MTW2 as a standalone game, but it makes a lot of sense if they're planning an expansion pack that starts either in 1530 or a bit later. In other words, it's probably a "teaser."

That said, I don't know how interesting an expansion pack for 1530+ would be, if they don't seriously beef up the naval combat. They don't necessarily need a full tactical naval combat module (which would be a separate game in itself, if it was done well). But I don't think they can get away with the current naval combat model if they're covering that period.

[Watchman]

I kinda wonder of how they're going to impålement it in practice, and more to the point make it challenging without excessively artificial constraints. Put this way. Let's say I'm playing the Turks and have by the point I hit the required tech hurdle turned the Med into a "Turkish lake", and have the Iderian peninsula under my control. My empire has gotten sufficiently rich and powerful to be largely secure from its foes and afford major adventures if need be. Then Captain Sinbad sails back from his sea trip to China and tells me there's a whole friggin' continent of weird Stone Age pagans with way too much gold for their own good in the way, and I decide it is only good and proper to deliver salvation to these poor heathens which in practice means the Janissaries and Sipahis get on board a major fleet and sail off to play gunboat diplomacy. Or my successor, who happens to be of the zealous and adventurous type his precessador wasn't, decides to go on a major jihad that way mainly because he can and the damn Franks are too obstinate.

Which ought not to be too difficult. When you have Stone Age gear to put against the sort of hyper-evolved ironmongery Late Medieval armies are kitted with by default, numbers and even courage and discipline simply stop mattering. In several instances immensely outnumbered groups of Spaniards in comparatively light gear were perfectly capable off fighting off full-out native armies and suffered only minor casualties in the process; among the heavy cavalry (who were very few in number, but had some very disproportionate effects) death by riding accidents was probably more common than from enemy action...

In short, how to credibly limit the amount of troops the player (or AI) can ship over given the way TW game engine doesn't exactly bother simulating the causes and conditions that kept the historical attemptees from sailing over in force, and/or make the undeniably badly outmatched Aztecs a serious tactical challenge for late-game armies ?