Quote Originally Posted by Deus ret.
with the arrow thing I'm not that sure, IMHO units in shield wall formation tend to take quite a lot of damage from ranged attacks, even from the front and especially from javelins.
about holding a stone-walled city they're unmatch4ed, though: blocking the gateway with a single unit ans watching the otherwise far superior enemy units die under the oil and on yur spears is indeed a touching sight *sob*
In one test custom game, I gave the AI one unit of clibinarii immortal against one saxon keel. The CI fired all their missiles on my keel, but I suffered only 2 casaulties.