Quote Originally Posted by Cesare diBorja
Yeah, at twelve turns per year, you might have a good year or two of mad progression and take 4 or 5 territories and make bank, then for five years you might contend with a larger foe who has more allies than you and has them also attack you, disrupting your trade, causing your allies to abandon you. Your fleet get destroyrd in two major battles and you lose three generals, two of which were real superstars and won a dozen victories each. Now you aren't making so much money and the rebels are depleting your armies, say this lasts ten years(120 turns). Imagine the pressure you feel when you need something to happen. A miracle and then it happens. Your big foe meets another big foe and his alliance defaults and he is the persecuted for a while allowing you to find allies, strengthen your position, build trade, build forts and refine your defense force. Then, with subterfuge after a twenty year period the big foe comes back and he has spies and assasins and diplomats which cause havoc to the stability of your cause(whether it be to conquer or maintain the state) and you have to contend with this problem as the rebels come back and civil war breaks out. Then he invades with armies with great experience(some silver and few gold) and then you must call out your veteran generals now in their fifties to hold the line. You also have some younger generals who need experience and from their traits are just spoiling for a fight or want to cower behind the walls. That's a real story, gentlemen, and you can't get that kind of detail from a 1,2,3, or a 4 turn game. I am fifty years into my game and it's the greatest game I have ever played in life. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose but you don't get to play it all in a weekend. this game has been going since Xmas. I could go on and on about battles that would seem epic. Four faction battles, Diplomacy gets better albeit in the same guise by the level of complexity the game is allowed to develop. If you manage to get rich your allies will ask for aid, you may give them money. They are more willing to give in to letting you march across their territories. The game fleshes out and I cannot explain it anymore than to say you'll have to try it out for yourself. BAAAM!

diBorgia
Now THIS sounds like a truly immersive game. 4 seasonal turns were good but this is even better and I agree with the point about finishing a campaign over the weekend. Add better diplomacy, realistic allegiances (allies that will assist in real time battles etc) The more realistic the better IMO

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