Common value would be more responsibility for the people instead of an all controlling godzilla of a government. Keep taxes low, government interference to a minimum. Difference is the hammering on religion I guess.
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Common value would be more responsibility for the people instead of an all controlling godzilla of a government. Keep taxes low, government interference to a minimum. Difference is the hammering on religion I guess.
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Well, not really! For Germany - as well as for other Western European countries - minimum government is not a common value. People expect from the government:Originally Posted by Fragony
- protection against crime
- good infrastructure (roads, schools ...)
- social security (health care, pensions ...)
- social balance
Of cause everybody wants to pay less taxes, but only very few, esp. the rich ones, do really want to have minimum interferrence.
The social net is very important especially in Germany. It is a common value, a civilizing achievement of the post war age which is an important part of the German identity. So some parties want to keep it, others want to reform it, but no one wants to abolish it.
With the tasks of government like written above we could also have a socialist government or even fascism. Fortunatelly there are more basic values:
- democracy
- human rights
- refusal of war as a political mean (each kind of war with the exception of self defense)
- free market
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The most common value is money
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I suspect the above are part of "minimum" government for both countries.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
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Not really. German conservatives only occationally mention such things as "small government".
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Any German politicos who regularly mention (or do more than mention) small government?
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That is right; it shows that small government is just a notion, not a value.
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AFAIK European conservatives on the average aren't "state-hostile" the way American ones are. In most places that tends to be left to the economic liberals, who usually have a different party.
Having more than two practically relevant parties is useful that way. Not everyone has a system that allows them, of course - just look at the Brits.
Far as I know by Euro standards American "conservatives" are weird - they combine a reactionary social agenda with fiscal hyper-liberalism and a palpable hatred of centralized adminstration.
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I guess I'll have to stop calling myself a conservative then.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
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Hey, far as I can tell our locals Leftists on the average combine progressive ("liberal") social agenda with a conservative economic one - since they want to keep the already extant welafare mechanism and not disband it in the name of liberalism.
This sort of mixing-up is among the chief reasons I prefer terms like Left and Right which most people can easily identify with to "liberal" and "conservative" which can get muddy real fast.
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I said less government interference, there is a difference. Haven't heard the term 'smaller government' here either, only from our very own Mozart Geert Wilders
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