A Good Reminder

[Adrian II]

Double post

Can't hurt to double-post these days, eh?

Can't hurt to double-post these days, eh?

Anyway, long live plucky Denmark!

I'll have the, um, frikadelle. With mustard please. Some more. More please. Yes, more mustard. Go right ahead. No, give me the whole jar. There she goes...

Oh my...

[Louis VI the Fat]

You're a freak. What could you do with a sea serpent that large?

In a Freudian sense, the real question is what all those scantily clad blondes are going to do with the large serpent...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Can't hurt to double-post these days, eh?

Got to think about my postcount, ey?



+1 once again

[Rodion Romanovich]

Is there any place you can actually see the cartoons themselves? Plus are there any muslims here who could comment on exactly what in the cartoons that is so provoking? Seems like the discussion has been a little one sided so far, and by principle I'd like to judge the argumentation on both sides. That said, I doubt anything that could possibly be drawn in cartoons would change my opinion that there's no validity in demands to infringe freedom of press which is a basic part of western democracy, unless the pictures actually break laws and try to cause hatred towards, and generalizations about, muslims in general and so on (which some of my sources seem to indicate was hidden in the pictures, but I can't verify that until I can see the pictures).

[Viking]

That will really separate the men from the boys...

http://netnet.net/~pineaire/Lutefisk.html

Separate those with sense of good taste from those with sense of bad taste, methinks.

[Sjakihata]

Here is the images, I will post it in a link, which you will have to click as to not offend anyone, who does not want to see the images. The reason why I post them is to make clear, that what moslems are angry about is not so much the depictions of the prophet, but rather the resemblance that all moslems are terrorists - and that the prophet also was. That I disagree with.

wiki drawings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:J...wings.jpg#file

from the danish E-newspaper: http://www.e-jp.dk/31-01-2006/demo/JP_01-01.html

If any should be offended contact a mod or me via PM and we will remove the drawings.

I already posted the links to the pictures on page 1.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Oh I'm sorry, I missed that. Anyway my opinion is pretty much the same - the generalization and hate propaganda the calling the prophet a terrorist is on the borderline of being considered a crime, according to Danish law as well, but a trial would probably not result in anything else than the newspaper having to pay a very small fine. The question is - will such a trial be as successful in ending the hatred as the first witch executions were at stopping the witch hunt? Or will it have a positive effect? Hard to tell... In any case I don't see where they're trying to get, even if there's a trial there's no way there'll be more than a symbolic fine according to existing law afaik. The boycott of goods from a country seems like a very irrational and unfair way to react to that a small number of inhabitants in that country insulted them. Compare this boycott and hatred as a result of an insult to the hatred and similar as results of actual violent actions which were the case with 9/11 followed by war. Both cases show an irrational way of projecting the punishment of very few to an entire nation, but in this case we're talking about an insult, not violent action. This is cleary an escalation in hatred between Euro-Americans and the muslim world. Interesting to see what the consequences will be.

[InsaneApache]

I volunteer to rescue that poor, poor BIG breasted woman who has clearly fallen from observed boat. As a trained Lifeguard, my recommendation would have to be the cross chest tow.

this may save your life

[Leet Eriksson]

EDIT: faisal, I just heard on the news, that the UAE will be out of butter within the week - is it true?

We got alternatives for butter, but cream cheese.. lots of people live on cream cheese here.

I generally don't buy european products, my food is mostly indian, not becuase of the recent stupidity going out, but i been on this diet for 12 years now (and its pretty much what most UAE citizens eat anyway).

But i do hope they feel the burn when they run out of lurpack or puck.

[Dâriûsh]

I found two of the original pictures offensive and I can certainly sympathize with those who are outraged.

But a lot of this nastiness was caused by these self-proclaimed Danish Imams, and their little tour de misinformation in the Middle East. Until now, even western media managed to misinform about the pictures. Some said that the Prophet (pbuh) was depicted with a pig trout(!) and others supposedly had rude sexual content, both false allegations.

[Proletariat]

Frigging ridiculous about the West being constantly chastised for labeling Muslims when we see a beheading or a suicide bomb, but someone runs a cartoon and hundreds of innocent Danish workers lose their jobs.

I'm going to soak my French fries in a cup of mayonnaise tonight. (Common values, Franconicus?)

Edit: *mumble*

[Sjakihata]

Dutch workers... and copenhagen is the capital of sweden.

Actually, a danish MP called that delegation of danish Imams traitors and they did indeed spread mis-information.

[Dâriûsh]

Frigging ridiculous about the West being constantly chastised for labeling Muslims when we see a beheading or a suicide bomb, but someone runs a cartoon and hundreds of innocent Danish workers lose their jobs.

11.000 Danish jobs could indeed be in peril, but so far nobody has been fired (some have been sent on leave for a few weeks, though).

[Watchman]

I know I found at least one of the pictures vaguely irritating. Given that me and faith don't really fit into the same sentence, and that I know from experience muslims can get a bit... uptight about certain religious topics, I can well imagine a fair few of the faithful blowing their tops.

Especially if the source that informs them of it isn't exactly neutral.

That said, methinks some folks have a stick up their ass and should relax a bit.

[Dâriûsh]

Actually, a danish MP called that delegation of danish Imams traitors and they did indeed spread mis-information.

I know that MP.

Nevertheless, Denmark should have an official Imam education, like your Christian priests.

[BDC]

However insulting those cartoons were (just look silly to me, far more insulting stuff all over the place anyway), burning Danish flags in front of tv cameras is FAR more insulting. Whoever told the protestors to get onto the streets should be forced to apologise.

[Sjakihata]

I know that MP.

Nevertheless, Denmark should have an official Imam education, like your Christian priests.

That danish MP is one of the reason there is such a great split between the West and the Muslim world. That is one of the reasons, rather than a few pictures. That is why this case is rather about the tone of the debate, than these pictures - and that we most undersand.

[Dâriûsh]

However insulting those cartoons were (just look silly to me, far more insulting stuff all over the place anyway), burning Danish flags in front of tv cameras is FAR more insulting. Whoever told the protestors to get onto the streets should be forced to apologise.

The Fatah and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades? They are just trying to rally people to their cause following the defeat to the Hamas. And Islamic Jihad, I assume they didn't want to be left out.

But do note that the Hamas has not organized any of these protests… yet.

It is all local politics.

[Sjakihata]

The problem is that the governments actually doesnt supports these rallies and riots - it is fundemantlist religious forces that are organizing them. Progress is being made in denmark to establish sense and order again. if it is possible - the EU is probably going to be involved soon.

[Dâriûsh]

The problem is that the governments actually doesnt supports these rallies and riots - it is fundemantlist religious forces that are organizing them. Progress is being made in denmark to establish sense and order again. if it is possible - the EU is probably going to be involved soon.

Maybe not officially. But this is the perfect opportunity to stick it to the West. And in most of the countries, those fundamentalist forces are controlled by the state. Make no mistake, this incident is being exploited for all it is worth by almost every Middle Eastern government involved.

There will be no real progress until the authorities get tired of the ruckus.

[doc_bean]

You mean since the last time we apoligised?

I mean that there was little more disgusting for me to witness the the general self-censorship applied by the media regarding any topic that might, or could, somehow, in any way, shap or form offend a muslim, somewhere, that has been going on since Van Gogh got killed.

I have no problems with muslims, but the way that a few fundamentalist freaks try to manipulate the muslim masses for their own personal gain is quite sickening. Because, who are we kidding, the hate mongering Imams don't go around shooting people, or even sending threating mails, they make sure they remain safe, while a few misguided followers take all the blame. If Osama Bin laden had been serious about his cause, he would have been on the friggin' plane !

But whenever you try to argue with those people, they hide behind 'religious freedom' and their freedom of speech, at same time dictating their ways to the masses, because if you're not careful, someone might get angry...

[Adrian II]

11.000 Danish jobs could indeed be in peril, but so far nobody has been fired (some have been sent on leave for a few weeks, though).

Darn fanatics.

*stuffs more frikadeller*

[Just A Girl]

I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..

Watch..

Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.

[Strike For The South]

I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..

Watch..

Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.

oh you do you want some one to flip? We are not bashing these pepoles religon we are bashing them for being morons. Free speech is a thing many westerners hold near and dear. If these people are gonna bitch and cry they can go bact to the hell hole the came from. You post has no basis in fact. The only reason you said religon is becuase you saw they were muslim. You my friend are shooting blind

[Adrian II]

I dunno you guys.
you cant ridicule some 1s religion with out them Fighting back..

Watch..

Jesus was gay and he slept with his mother.

Um mhut yer.. mwut yer saying?

*stuffs more Danish Blue on toast*

[Papewaio]

Yes keep buying Danish goods, us Aussies don't want to see the Danish Royalty not being able to look after their latest addition.

[Bar Kochba]

although not a muslim im a jew i can understand why the muslims r outraged but still burnig flags

[Strike For The South]

although not a muslim im a jew i can understand why the muslims r outraged but still burnig flags

They shouldnt be. Its freedom of speech boycott the paper fine but try to turn Denmark into a country of christian aplogisgts with islamic overlords dont fly buddy.

[Bar Kochba]

They shouldnt be. Its freedom of speech boycott the paper fine but try to turn Denmark into a country of christian aplogisgts with islamic overlords dont fly buddy.

maybe that religon in the western world has been so diluted but when somone insults my religon i get pissed off

[Just A Girl]

Hey you guys should Know i didnt mean Nothing by that.
jesus was a good guy.

Just showing you that any kind of funny Joke that I may find funny about religion, Dosent mean it is funny.
Neither does it mean I have the right to say it.

Its like the cartoon.
It may be funny to some. But to those religious people Its not funny. And its actualy near enough a personal attack on there religion.

Point proven.