We Stand on Guard for Thee...Unless Bad Guys Come, in Which Case We Flee.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

if I were planning to sneak into the U.S. from Canada I'd do so under the pretext of ice fishing on the great lakes, no worries.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

The point is even Bin Laden could walk right by them and theres little they could do . Mr Bin Laden put down the WMD. Hmmm I think I heard that somewhere before. Good thing for you Team America is here to keep you safe.

[Krypta]

Can you tell me the last time one of your armed, violent citizens charged through our border and went on a wild killing spree that would have been prevented if only our border guards carried pistols?

Its funny you'd mention that because , well there was that one case, not to long ago, where Armed American Border Guards let a kid covered in blood, carrying an arsenal of weapons and a bloody chainsaw that he had just used to hack his 2 neighbors heads off with in Canada, into the to US without as much as a patdown.

Thank God for Team America, I feel safer already.

[Redleg]

Its funny you'd mention that because , well there was that one case, not to long ago, where Armed American Border Guards let a kid covered in blood, carrying an arsenal of weapons and a bloody chainsaw that he had just used to hack his 2 neighbors heads off with in Canada, into the to US without as much as a patdown.

Thank God for Team America, I feel safer already.

Remember this is after he passed by the Canadian Border by the unarmed customs agents.

[Krypta]

Remember this is after he passed by the Canadian Border by the unarmed customs agents.

So Canada has to babysit American Border Guards now too ?

[Redleg]

So Canada has to babysit American Border Guards now too ?

Not at all - they should of followed their procedures and called the police to arrest the individual before he crossed the border. Ie he committed the crimes on the Canadian side of the border.

In the instance you are attempting to bring up - the Canadian side of the border failed to attempt to stop the man. The United States agents failed to detain a suspious person covered in a red substance that turned out to be blood.

[Krypta]

Not at all - they should of followed their procedures and called the police to arrest the individual before he crossed the border. Ie he committed the crimes on the Canadian side of the border.

In the instance you are attempting to bring up - the Canadian side of the border failed to attempt to stop the man. The United States agents failed to detain a suspious person covered in a red substance that turned out to be blood.

I see already how this conversation is gonna unfold.

*Bows out before I begin to bang my head against the wall*

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well judging by some posts here Canada considers their border guards nothing more than state sponsored security guards. Not fit or needed to train as law officers. Ours are both. They dont have to call the police when someone disobeys the law. Sounds more efficient.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Should all American civil servants carry firearms?

Actually, I think everyone would be safer if personal firearms were mandatory for all mentally competent adults. That was pretty much the case in the frontier West and there was relatively little violent crime -- despite the Hollywoodization of things claiming otherwise.

Sidenote: Since I've used the "f" word, Caesar10's constant searching will hit on this post quickly.

[GoreBag]

Not at all - they should of followed their procedures and called the police to arrest the individual before he crossed the border. Ie he committed the crimes on the Canadian side of the border.

In the instance you are attempting to bring up - the Canadian side of the border failed to attempt to stop the man. The United States agents failed to detain a suspious person covered in a red substance that turned out to be blood.

I remember this story. Wasn't he carrying a weapon?

[Krypta]

I remember this story. Wasn't he carrying a weapon?

Well apart from being covered from head to foot in blood himself (or as Redleg likes to refer to it as a suspicious substance) ...he had a homemade sword with a swastika etched into it, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with the blood from the 2 neighbors heads he had hacked off and stuffed in pillow cases. He also described to the American border officials that he worked for the NSA, was a Marine Assassin and had 700 confirmed kills. Apart from that, nothing was out of the ordinary.

[InsaneApache]

Our border guards are unarmed. Must be a commonwealth thing. Just as well, otherwise we'd never let the French in.

[Husar]

Well, here in the EU we don´t have any border guards anymore, but we also abandoned the stupid "magic line" also known as the borderline, so our police can follow suspects into other EU countries. I think we also want to introduce a standardised colour scheme for EU police cars. I think that system beats even armed borderguards, because apparently the US borderguards didn´t do much to stop the suspects either, if I understand that correctly it was a police/sheriff car that stopped them just before the "magic line" they wouldn´t be allowed to cross.

[Beirut]

Good thing for you Team America is here to keep you safe.

And we love you for it, you big hulking superpower you.

Come on - annex us. Annex us right now! Have you will with us. Oh dear... I'm feeling faint.

[Redleg]

Well apart from being covered from head to foot in blood himself (or as Redleg likes to refer to it as a suspicious substance) ...he had a homemade sword with a swastika etched into it, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with the blood from the 2 neighbors heads he had hacked off and stuffed in pillow cases. He also described to the American border officials that he worked for the NSA, was a Marine Assassin and had 700 confirmed kills. Apart from that, nothing was out of the ordinary.

So why didn't the Canadian Border agents stop him from crossing?

It seems in your desire to point out the error of the American side of the crossing your ignoring the error of the Canadian side. Which is exactly my point.

If you don't notice the difference in the two stories - I will give you a clue. On the American side - the authorities attempted to stop the criminals from fleeing across the Border. Can the same thing be said in the instance that you are attempting to use as a counter?

[Vladimir]

I like the idea that our border guards are unarmed.

I also like the idea of an RCMP officer sitting in a cruiser behind every border crossing as well.

Nothing wrong with that. Kind of like weigh stations on the highway. Unarmed people operating it, but state police ready to take off after anyone who skips it.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Good thing for you Team America is here to keep you safe.


And we love you for it, you big hulking superpower you.

Come on - annex us. Annex us right now! Have you will with us. Oh dear... I'm feeling faint.

You do realise I was reffering to the movie.

[Goofball]

So why didn't the Canadian Border agents stop him from crossing?

As I said, they are not border guards, they are customs agents.

It seems in your desire to point out the error of the American side of the crossing your ignoring the error of the Canadian side. Which is exactly my point.

Which only demonstrates that you have no point.

In this whole thread, Americans have been giving Canadians a big blast of shite and telling us how much safer we'd be if our borders were fortresses and we had armed border guards like you guys have, which is obviously the right way to do it, because it's how Americans do it.

Then it was pointed out that giving border guards guns really does not do any more to protect you than having unarmed border agents, and you try to turn it around and say it was our fault for not trying to stop a person from leaving the country.

Riiiigggghhht....

Just take your pwning like a man and quit while you're behind.

[Vladimir]

And we love you for it, you big hulking superpower you.

Come on - annex us. Annex us right now! Have you will with us. Oh dear... I'm feeling faint.

I'll be right there!

[Monarch]

The point is even Bin Laden could walk right by them and theres little they could do . Mr Bin Laden put down the WMD. Hmmm I think I heard that somewhere before. Good thing for you Team America is here to keep you safe.

Your blowing this all our of proportion with stuff like 'terrorists could walk in and out'. As somebody else said the EU's extent of 'borderguards' is a guy called Les who works at passport control.

And anyway, if terrorists can walk into Canada, then they are coming from, where, ah yes good old 'Team America' as you so interestingly put it, perhaps one could suggest that Canada shouldn't need border guards with guns if only the wonderful Team America could keep the terrorists in, in prison cells preferably.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Your blowing this all our of proportion with stuff like 'terrorists could walk in and out'. As somebody else said the EU's extent of 'borderguards' is a guy called Les who works at passport control.

Is this true at all your borders or only at the ones between members of the EU?

And anyway, if terrorists can walk into Canada, then they are coming from, where, ah yes good old 'Team America' as you so interestingly put it, perhaps one could suggest that Canada shouldn't need border guards with guns if only the wonderful Team America could keep the terrorists in, in prison cells preferably.

Judging by your imigration standards they can just walk in off the boat from just about anywhere.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think the case-the one case, it should be noted-you're using is one where the US authorities were unaware of his criminal actions. The Canadians weren't chasing him or trying to arrest him as he fled.

In this case, the Canadians were aware of the bad guys coming, and they knew the Americans were trying to stop them. Did they make any attempt to stop them? No, they left the border wide open, leaving the people stuck in the lines waiting to cross to fend for themselves.

You can't blame the Americans for not arresting a suspicious character and minimize the Canadians doing nothing- absolutely nothing - to detain or hinder two known murderers from crossing.

Crazed Rabbit

[Goofball]

I think the case-the one case, it should be noted-you're using is one where the US authorities were unaware of his criminal actions. The Canadians weren't chasing him or trying to arrest him as he fled.

No, but he was carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. I would think that a crack team like your U.S. border guards might have made the criminal connection there. After all, having a gun makes you more able to reason things out, doesn't it?

[Beirut]

You do realise I was reffering to the movie.

You mean... you won't take lay us down, annex us, and bring us to a state of national nirvana while we're vulnerable like this?

Hmmpff!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You mean... you won't take lay us down, annex us, and bring us to a state of national nirvana while we're vulnerable like this?

No we wouldnt. There are too many liberals in Canada. You can keep them. In fact Canada was built on our rejects.

[Redleg]

As I said, they are not border guards, they are customs agents.

Which means when they notice something wrong they are suppose to call the law enforcement. Which in the examble of the axe welding individual the Canadian Border agents did not even do that.

Which only demonstrates that you have no point.

Surely you can do better then this come back. Did the Canadian border agents report the individual and his suspecious activity or not? Did Canadian Law enforcement attempt to stop the individual at all?

In this whole thread, Americans have been giving Canadians a big blast of shite and telling us how much safer we'd be if our borders were fortresses and we had armed border guards like you guys have, which is obviously the right way to do it, because it's how Americans do it.

And so you are now getting defensive? Again have I given anyone crap - or have I ointed out the differences between the two events?

Then it was pointed out that giving border guards guns really does not do any more to protect you than having unarmed border agents, and you try to turn it around and say it was our fault for not trying to stop a person from leaving the country.

Riiiigggghhht....

LOL - you are definitely being defensive. You claim that the border agents are not suppose to stop the individual in question but to report it to the law enforcement arm of the Canadian government. However did the Canadian Border agents report the event - or did they just allow the individual to cross the border? I personally don't care - if I wanted to cross the border between Canada and the United States there are places to cross where their is absolutely no one around nor custom agents, law enforcement officials. Just maybe a bear or moose to see my passing. I can do the same thing on the Southern Border also - just need to carry enough water for the crossing.

Just take your pwning like a man and quit while you're behind.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

[Redleg]

No, but he was carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. I would think that a crack team like your U.S. border guards might have made the criminal connection there. After all, having a gun makes you more able to reason things out, doesn't it?

Again the the Canadian authorities attempt to stop the man at the Canadian Border after he committed his crime in Canada? Did Canada call the United States side and ask the United States to detain him for questioning? Was any effort at all made by Canada to inform the United States that the ax welding individual had just committed a crime and is fleeing Canada to avoid prosecution?

[Husar]

Is this true at all your borders or only at the ones between members of the EU?

Only between members of the Schengen-treaty, afaik. I don´t know whether that applies for new EU countries as well. But even that is more cooperation than the US and Canada seem to have managed.

Judging by your imigration standards they can just walk in off the boat from just about anywhere.

Seeing that you are worried about terrorists walking from the US to Canada and thinking of some threads about your mexican border, I wonder how those terrorists came into the US, which is a prerequisite for them to walk into Canada...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Only between members of the Schengen-treaty, afaik. I don´t know whether that applies for new EU countries as well. But even that is more cooperation than the US and Canada seem to have managed.

Thats what I thought. We dont have border guards between our states either. Canada and the US are not the same as the EU. Were just neighbors

Seeing that you are worried about terrorists walking from the US to Canada and thinking of some threads about your mexican border, I wonder how those terrorists came into the US, which is a prerequisite for them to walk into Canada

Youve seen me constantly complain about the state of our southern borders. But terrorists have been caught here that walked in from Canada who had imigrated there. In fact only 50 miles from my home.

[Redleg]

Only between members of the Schengen-treaty, afaik. I don´t know whether that applies for new EU countries as well. But even that is more cooperation than the US and Canada seem to have managed.

You would be incorrect. Regardless of the petty little squabble of the armed or unarmed custom agents on both sides of the border. Yes folks those that man our borders fall into two categories - custom agents and border patrol, all part of the same governmental department

http://www.customs.ustreas.gov/xp/cgov/home.xml

Its really rather easy to cross the Canada - United States Border. Nothing really all that difficult. Some changes difficultily getting into the United States from Canada if you don't have a valid identification. But hell last time I crossed the border all I needed was my driver's license.

Seeing that you are worried about terrorists walking from the US to Canada and thinking of some threads about your mexican border, I wonder how those terrorists came into the US, which is a prerequisite for them to walk into Canada...

Actually this statement makes absolutely no sense to me, but this might be your point.

Now the Southern Border can be outright dangerous both from the violence that is going on just across the border in Mexico. Armed gangs involved in smuggling all types of items to include people to exist along most of the viable crossing points - and some of the more difficult ones also. There is also a possiblity of the Mexican Army being involved in supporting illegal crossings of the border. Some reports state that Mexican troops have crossed into the United States numerous times over the last 5 years.

Bottom line is that you can not compare the two borders at all. Regardless of the lack of armed security at the Canadian Border Crossings, Canada should have the ability to prevent illegal crossings by force of criminal elements attempting to escape across the border from the United States, especially when the United States informs Canada that they are in hot pursuit of a criminal attempting just that.

And the reverse applies to the United States. However if neither government representives contacts the other side that an individual is fleeing - then the arguement is mote - since the border agents can not know if the individual is fleeing because of criminal activity if they are not told.