the yeuzhi

[antiochus epiphanes]

i have a quick question, will you keep the yeuzhi in the mod?(please say yes)
also i want to read about them, does anybody have a website that they would recomende?

[Arman616]

I say keep the yeuzhi. They add more battling and activity in the east. Which is good!

[pezhetairoi]

It sure gets boring with only Baktria in the east as we know it... I say keep the yuezhi. But subeshi archers with 0 upkeep is just gay :-

[Spendios]

The Yuezhi are an interesting faction to play, they just need more variety in their troops !

[Malrubius]

We had a public thread on this, and nobody could really defend their inclusion; they don't show up on our map for a hundred years. Any of you want to mount a good historical defense?

[pezhetairoi]

alright, i forgot about that awhile. Scrap the Yuezhi. I go for history. Scrap the Yuezhi, nevermind if the east becomes boring, since the only other choice would have to be Maurya, and that is so impossible... Something to give the Sweboz a challenge apart from Eleutheroi would be nice too, but that also was nonexistent historically. So. -_-

[GodEmperorLeto]

We had a public thread on this, and nobody could really defend their inclusion; they don't show up on our map for a hundred years. Any of you want to mount a good historical defense?

I was rather unsatisfied with the results of that thread, and after playing a little both with, and against, the Yuezhi, I feel that their exclusion would only be warranted if another faction was added in a predominantly vacant quadrant, such as an Arab faction in southern Arabia, or an African nation further down the Nile.

I understand that they didn't hit the scene for a hundred years. But the scope of the game goes beyond simply a hundred years. By the middle of the 2nd century AD, Epirus was wiped out, Carthage and Thebes were in flames. Boom, two, maybe three game factions gone within 125 years of gameplay (Epirus, Greece, Carthage).

Especially since Epirus was only a really powerful faction against Rome under the reign of Pyrrhus, I can't condone its inclusion in a region already rife with factions and unit diversity, while a corner of the world goes empty simply because the Yuezhi weren't there at the start of the game.

Despite historical inaccuracy, I believe the Yuezhi add to the modification in a positive way. Indeed, I will argue the same for Epirus, because they enhance gameplay in the Adriatic front quite a bit, but if the Yuezhi are dropped, then Epirus should be, too.

So if you drop them, who do you replace them with? I would honestly prefer seeing a Mauryan faction, but I perfectly understand why it would be almost pointless to add one. The game offers opportunities for the Mauryans to expand beyond India, but that is a rather pointless hypothetical exercise in unlikelihood, and they'd be missing half of their empire on the Ganges. When I first heard the Numidians had been scrapped I was disappointed until I realized the game works just as well in North Africa without them, honestly. So who is left? Arabs? Ethiopians? Thracians?

You'd have to convince me that one of those factions present in the game will enhance it as much as the Yuezhi did. An Arab faction probably would. Ethiopians <i>might</i>. Thracians are better left Rebels, like Numidia.

In other words, removing them may seem logical from a historical point of view, in terms of influence, but in terms of gameplay, their inclusion may be worthwhile, unless you can replace them with a faction that will do more for the game than they will.