Tumurids?

[Subedei]

Timur claimed to have roots down to Ghengis Khan. Most of his followers were turkish tribes though. He was a hazzle to the Ottoman Empire and the Near and Middle east. His followers could not keep the vast lands this guy conquered.

[Favre]

He faked all his "documents" to make it look like he was related to ghenghis khan, He was just a nobody that wanted to sieze power of the empire, and he did that quite nicely :D

[doc_bean]

His empire was bigger than that of the mongols at the end of the Genghis' reign.

[Orda Khan]

His empire was bigger than that of the mongols at the end of the Genghis' reign.

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Timur's biggest failing was his inability with administration, he was forever re-treading old ground. A great general, yes but little else

......Orda

[TB666]

Was Timur that guy that did something with skulls ??

[Orda Khan]

Was Timur that guy that did something with skulls ??

Yep, that's the guy. Far more brutal than the Mongols ever were

.....Orda

[TB666]

What was it that he did ??
I can't remember and Wiki doesn't say anything.

[doc_bean]

Incorrect.
Timur's biggest failing was his inability with administration, he was forever re-treading old ground. A great general, yes but little else

......Orda

Okay, maybe it wasn't much of an empire, but he did, at least in theory, control more land than Genghis.

[Doug-Thompson]

Hmmm. Just looking at the map, Timur's empire might have been more populous than Genghis Khan's, but it doesn't appear anywhere near the same size. Granted, much of the Khan's empire when he died was steppe, but it stretched from the Caspian Sea to the Pacific, and included large chunks of North China.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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The descendants of Timur proved to be relatively stable and highly civilized kingdoms in Turkestan, Afghanistan (Herat was one of the greatest cities of the world in Timurids' time) and in India (Babur and his house). Timur himself was a fierce and cruel warrior against his enemies and the conquered but at times he knew how to gain people, especially scholars and merchantmen, too. Although there's no point in denying what he was, it should be kept in mind that his brutal ways were much exaggarated by his rivals, especially the Ottomans. (The Turkestani and Iranian writers almost always cite him with praise.)

As for his origin, his tribe was a long Turkicized Mongol one. He and his immediate descendants practiced Genghis' Law for a long time, gradually blending it with Islamic Law and others. His claim to Genghis' descent came in relatively later ages; in his earlier years (and well into his high period so to speak) he styled himself merely as the "steward" of some figurehead Genghis descendant. That seems to be crucial to establish his rule among numberless rivals. The details (and sources) escape me now but he either remved the figurehead or produced an apparently maternal descent from Genghis after his demise.

His military capabilities are beyond question. +9 command +9 dread!
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[Steppe Merc]

He faked all his "documents" to make it look like he was related to ghenghis khan, He was just a nobody that wanted to sieze power of the empire, and he did that quite nicely :D

"Timur did not rely much on this genealogy, however: he ruled through puppet khans of Chinggis' line while merely styling himself the "Great Emir". Warriors of the Steppe by Erik Hildinger, pg 171.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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...he styled himself merely as the "steward" of some figurehead Genghis descendant. That seems to be crucial to establish his rule among numberless rivals....
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Found Timur's figureheads: Sü-yurgutmysh* (1370-1388) and his son Mahmud (1388-1402). Timur styled himself an "emir" in their command.

* he who managed (provided) order

Source: Maragalı Abdülkadir, Murat Bardakçı, Pan Yayıncılık, Istanbul 1986 (footnote 10 to Timur's commandment regarding Abdulkadir, p.162)
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Hmm... Multi-quote still has problems I see.
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