They showed up in a debate article in GT roughly when this started, but appearently the extremists found that lumping Sweden together with Denmark on this issue was wrong and they corrected themself later on.Originally Posted by Sjakihata
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They showed up in a debate article in GT roughly when this started, but appearently the extremists found that lumping Sweden together with Denmark on this issue was wrong and they corrected themself later on.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
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Good link, here's my two favorite parts:
I understand (but don't sympathize) why Europe seems to be so anti-Christian because of all the problems religion has played in the past. But hell, if these drawings are xenophobic what has Europe been doing to Christianity?The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that the drawings reflected a growing "xenophobic tone" towards the faith in parts of the Western media.
That pretty much sums it up for me.Carsten Juste: "The dark dictatorships have won," he added.
Reinvent the British and you get a global finance center, edible food and better service. Reinvent the French and you may just get more Germans.
Ik hou van ferme grieten en dikke pinten
Down with dried flowers!
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Riget. Also an american version of it was made. It's scary!
Common Unreflected Drinking Only Smartens
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Thanks Sjak, I only saw the english version which was quite good but you can't beat the master
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He is warning them of the consequences, he is not threatening them with legal action or undue pressure if they ignore his words. But he represents all of Europe, and you can hardly expect him to throw more oil on the flames of a row that benefits nobody on either side. On the up-side -- and this is the part you have apparently missed -- he also represents all of Europe when he threatens EU-wide sanctions in response to the Arab boycot of Denmark. In other words, this is a gesture that should make some betowelled gentlemen rather nervous. Guess who depends on whom for financial assistance, trade, technology transfers, etcetera?
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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In a worst case scenario, if mass boycotts takes place, will Europe not suffer more from it than ME, since they are holding a lot of oil. Of course the norwegians will only become a lot richer, nothing new.
Common Unreflected Drinking Only Smartens
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I think you have a hard time reading between the lines.
'He's not threatening with legal action' that is a funny one mia muca.
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Pray tell me, what legal action would Mr Mandelson take against European newspapers?
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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I'm sorry Adrian but that man doesn't represent me or anyone else for that matter. He should keep his unelected, appointed gob shut. If any sanctions are to be imposed then let them be put in place by a democratically elected body. Not by this crony of Tonys.
Still, you are entitled to your view, as am I.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Legal action, what is that? He is just taking a step back, and when someone staps back he gives room for someone else.
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Do not overestimate Arab oil clout. They can play with volumes and prices, deals and concessions in order to pester Europe, but they are not in a position to shut off the flow. Their unity would soon break up as it always does. Hamas, Syria or Jordan for instance have no reserves whatsoever and they don't exactly need EU trade sanctions, frozen assets and axed subsidies right now.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Oil is all they have. They could shut it down and go into the sandglass business but we already invented the clock.
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Yes he does. He has been appointed by democratic consent.
This is how:
You may not be happy with his appointment. Nonetheless Mr Mandelson represents the whole EU both legally and diplomatically.
- The (elected) EU governments designate a Commission President
- The President-designate is approved by the (elected) European Parliament
- The President-designate presents the other Members of the Commission for approval by all (elected) EU governments
- The (elected) European Parliament interviews each prospective Commissioner and approves the entire team
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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[sigh] We have to say it again and again and again, don't we? Freedom of speech isn't limited to the freedom to say things that do not cause offence."I understand on one level the motivation of newspapers to stand up for freedom of speech… but they are almost bound to cause offence." He said that any other re-publication "throws petrol on the flames".
You would have hoped Mandy knew that.
Personally I think the pictures should be reprinted in the UK and everywhere else for that matter, until a larger section of the Muslim community accepts that while they are free to consider that a cartoon of Mohammed is the most terrible sin, they are not free to impose that view on secular old me.
Also I feel the flag burning gentlemen will try to rise to the challenge and the Monty Python fan in me enjoys the thought of them scouring the West Bank looking for the flag of Tuvalu and Cornwall and Allah knows where else.
Evidently this will cause some offence. Tough. Perhaps if they would kindly mind their own business instead of poking their noses into other peoples they would go through life less offended.
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And here I was thinking Mr Mandelson was stepping forward instead of stepping back.
Is it all a matter of perspective, as they say?
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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What does Tuvalu produce? I mean, in case I need a break from the frikadeller.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Depends on how much you value our way of life. It is giving in to blackmail, nothing more. Trying to give in a little to keep the peace is nothing more then a invitation to do worse.And here I was thinking Mr Mandelson was stepping forward instead of stepping back.
Is it all a matter of perspective, as they say?
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Or an invitation to calm down and prevent worse, according to the principles of what is known in civilised circles as 'diplomacy'. For Pete's sake, a European Commissioner is a diplomat, not a xenophobic street fighter.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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BBC has just broadcast the caricatures, nice try Mr Mandelson, to no avail.
Common Unreflected Drinking Only Smartens
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Or an invitation to calm down and prevent worse, according to the principles of what is known in civilised circles as 'diplomacy'. [/QUOTE]
Diplomacy has never been civilised, diplomacy is war. Trying to not offend these guys is giving in to threats of a bunch of sandland retards that found another target besides their wives for a change. Why do we always have to act like a abused wife that wonders what she did wrong?
not a xenophobic street fighter.
That's just nasty, I better report.
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If newspapers all over the world print these drawings, the whole boycott problem is solved.
That`s hilarious.Sort of...
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It loses some of its hilarity when there's an article right below telling Muslims to kill those who insult Mohammed.
Here's some cartoons from the Arab world; the vast majority of which are much cruder and more insulting than anything the Danes printed: http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm
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The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
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It`s certainly not the first time that has happened. I do not take such threats much serious any longer.
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As if Mandelson didn't know beforehand that they would be re-published. There is nothing he can do about it, despite Fragony's suggestions that EU Commissioners have Darth Vader like powers to vaporise obstinate editors.
But what he has done is distance himself and the European Union from the policy of some papers (i.e. from the caricatures in question, not from the right to publish those caricatures). People who question Mandelson's attitude apparently have trouble understanding the concept of free speech. Free speech applies to governemts as well, and it includes their right to distance themselves from expressions they find inappropriate or unhelpful.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Oh you naughty. It is the destructive idea that whatever happens, it must be our fault. I have to compliment the idea that we are just so good that perfection is just out of reach and that we soon will all be making love war, and that we just have channel all that negative energy.
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Channelling negative energy - now there is a good description of 'diplomacy' if ever I saw one.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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So I was right. He is appointed not elected. How is that democratic? You may be happy being represented by appointee, I am not.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
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Mainly it is the ".tv" ending for Url website thingies, such as gm.tv and www.bbc.tv. This doubled its GDP. All boycotting muslims will stop pressing ".", "t" and "v" on their keyboards...What does Tuvalu produce? I mean, in case I need a break from the frikadeller.
It was not theirs to reason why,
It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
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Speaking of ridiculous behaviour, is anyone else surprised that nearly all protests come from governments and various religious organizations, not from the Arab street?
A couple of hundred Pakistani students protested and shouted ‘Death to Denmark!’ Big deal. There has been a street rally by women in Yemen, most of whom can’t read or write. It seems officials and warlords are only jumping on the bandwagon four months after the publication of the cartoons because some prominent Saudi cleric preached about them recently.
And what on earth is the story on these Danish Muslim clerics who toured the Arab world with a portfolio of ‘scandalous Danish depictions of the Phophet’, some of which were never published in Denmark or anywhere else?
I picked up the following from a Telegraph correspondent, but I do not read Danish so if at all possible, I would like confirmation from our Danish members.
The Danish tabloid Extra Bladet got hold of a 43-page report that Danish Muslim leaders and imams, on a tour of the Islamic world are handing out to their contacts to "explain" how offensive the cartoons are. The report contains 15 pictures instead of 12.The Muslim Horror Picture Show, eh? Now there is an outfit I would love to sue the skirts off if I were a Dane.
"The first of the three additional pictures, which are of dismal quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile deamon, the second shows the prophet with a pigsnout and the third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog. Apparently, the 12 original pictures were not deemed bad enough to convince other Muslims that Muslims in Denmark are the victims of a campaign of religious hatred. Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the 21 Danish Muslim organisations which organised the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to "give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims."
"Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity."It is a side-issue, but here goes. Your Prime Minister is appointed by Her Majesty, isn’t he? Yet he represents you. Alright, alright, the PM is elected first. But all your government ministers are appointed, not elected, yet they represent you legally and diplomatically…
In the case of the European Commission, additional checks have been introduced to make sure that any given Commissioner represents the Union as a whole, not merely his country of origin or its government. Not bad at all as a system, really.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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...hmmmmm... doesn't anyone know how to laugh anymore?
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