Religious intolerance or freedom of speech.

[Fragony]

If Muslims were not instigated into behaving as a rabid mob, then they would not.

It's pretty simple: mess with them, and they mess with you back.

Can't really blame them for that in my view.

Don't mess with them, and they will mess with you anyway, we simply cannot meet their demands.

My dear boy, I don't for the love of me understand what you are talking about. There are millions of Muslims in Europe who all go about their daily business without shouting, demonstrating, siging petitions or calling for anyone's execution.

Still early, probably sleeping.

[caravel]

While I cannot agree with the typcasting of all muslims as raging fanatics, I can understand some of the points raised by Navaros, that those muslims in question are acting in defense of their own religion. But does this defense require violent behaviour and attacks against neutral parties? Are they not just as bad as those that published these images when they will burn european national flags, destroy a consulate building and run about toting guns with little excuse? Denmark, a country that has hardly offended anyone, is hardly part of the bush/blair "empire". It was Denmark's free press that published this, not the Danes and not their government. The press is not the voice of the government. Unlike islamic states (and many non islamic ones for that matter), Denmark has a real democracy with a press that is free to comment on, and criticize almost anything, it is not bound by religion or government control. Have these muslims considered, that when they burn the national flag of the majority of Danes that did not support or endorse this publication in any way, that they are targeting an entire people for the actions of a tiny minority?

Obviously not, but as usual the fanatical zealots that endorse suicide bombers, "beheadings" and the burnings of flags and effigies, are whipping up the greater majority of the ignorant masses into a fury. Those involved understand nothing about the west whatosever apart from what their media and these manipulative clerics want them to know. The worst.

Those that are living in western european countries as asylum seekers or immigrants and engage in such actions as vandalism, incitement of hatred etc are even worse in my opinion. Such individuals have absolutely no respect for the country that has taken them in, they are there as abusers and nothing more.

Those protesting in london with placards such as "Behead the one who insults the prophet" and "Free speech go to hell" need to ask themselves the question: "Do I belong in a civilised western european democracy?"

[Fragony]

hmmm,

Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim
outrage.

Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Now are we just that civil are or they nuts? Yes, we and they.

Oh wait, fresh from the press. Priest in Turkey gets shot to death. No, well you get it.

[Lemur]

Best quote yet:

"They want to know whether Muslims are extremists or not. Death to them and to their newspapers," said Mawli Abdul Qahar Abu Israra.

[Ser Clegane]

Now are we just that civil are or they nuts? Yes, we and they.

Oh wait, fresh from the press. Priest in Turkey gets shot to death. No, well you get it.

Well - I guess a lot (probably the vast majority) of muslims neither show outrage now, nor did they when the other things happened that you listed.

They probably aren't very happy about the cartoons and a lot of them probably arent't very happy about murder in the name of islam either - I guess most of them (like most Westerners) are just trying to live their lives without making ruckus on the streets.

A personal question, Fragony - as you mention from time to time that you sometimes participate in "public outrage" against immigrants - how often do you go on the street and join protests against right-wingers, e.g. those who hunt and beat up innocent immigrants? Have you ever been outraged about such incidents, or do you consider the beating of immigrants to be an "understandable reaction"?

[Fragony]

A personal question, Fragony - as you mention from time to time that you sometimes participate in "public outrage" against immigrants - how often do you go on the street and join protests against right-wingers, e.g. those who hunt and beat up innocent immigrants? Have you ever been outraged about such incidents, or do you consider the beating of immigrants to be an "understandable reaction"?

Been in a fight from time to time with them but I never activily looked for them if that is what you mean, but I am not the kind of guy that turns the other cheek. Just a matter of time before things will get more sinister though, and I will be there when it does. About rightwingers attacking immigrants, I cannot think of such an incident in the past 10 years, I heard that it does happen from time to time in Germany though. When such a thing happens I wouldn't aprove it but I stopped caring really, so I pull the 'understandable reaction' card.

[Watchman]

Am I going to be offensive if I bluntly state Fragony does a really good job sounding like a full-blown racist ?

[Duke Malcolm]

I wouldn't say he seems like a racist, just someone against large scale immigration...

[kataphraktoi]

On the DOme of Rock, there is an inscription which insults and castigates Christians for believing that God has a Son. Thats as bad as the Danish Cartoons simply because its done in a place like Jerusalem that Muslims know full well is holy to Christians as well. Funny isn't it that the Crusaders were ignorant of Arabic to tear it down hahaha...who looks tolerant now

Navaros's startling mindless assumption Christians dont react like Muslims becaue they're not as dedicated is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Do you have to react violently to show how devout you are?

Right, tomorrow, I'm going to burn an embassy just to show that Jesus is Love.....

Insane Apache is right, most Muslims are uneducated and are easily swayed by the preaching of hyped up imams and mullahs. Education is key.





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