What's better, BI or RTR?

[Razor1952]

BI or RTR, both are worthy , though I found WRE in BI the most intersting campaign I've played so far.

[Ignoramus]

I found BI a massive disappointment, it was too easy. And the historical accuracy wasn't that good either...
So I would definitely go for RTR or EB or another historical mod, much better, and they're cheaper too

[lars573]

BI definately, RTR and EB are crap and shouldn't have been released at all.

[Ludens]

BI definately, RTR and EB are crap and shouldn't have been released at all.

It might be helpful if you explained why you disliked them. Especially given that so many poster seem to disagree with you.

[Oaty]

RTR is being converted to be in use with the BI engine. So hopefully very shortly they will have a BI working version of RTR.

[hoom]

I kid you not, the only reason that I purchased BI is because RTR 7 is going to require it.

EB & RTR both make big improvements on the base game.
Personally I found EB open beta too buggy/incomplete to play much at the moment.
RTR 6 gold is what I play in the meantime (with Trajans SigniferOnes animations mod & a few tweaks of my own).

[lars573]

It might be helpful if you explained why you disliked them. Especially given that so many poster seem to disagree with you.

RTR has nothing about that makes it worth playing. Creative text editing could do half of what RTR does. All the historical "accuracy" none of the BS.


And EB well the balls-to-the-wall arrogance displayed by that group is gag inducing. Their whole we know better than CA and are going to put out a mod that looks like crap (litterally given the colours palette they use) to prove how much we know and how great we are attitude.

But what bothers me most is that they all want to make RTW more like MTW ( ). MTW was the weakest TW and nothing about it's game play should ever be attempted again.

[hellenes]

RTR has nothing about that makes it worth playing. Creative text editing could do half of what RTR does. All the historical "accuracy" none of the BS.


And EB well the balls-to-the-wall arrogance displayed by that group is gag inducing. Their whole we know better than CA and are going to put out a mod that looks like crap (litterally given the colours palette they use) to prove how much we know and how great we are attitude.

But what bothers me most is that they all want to make RTW more like MTW ( ). MTW was the weakest TW and nothing about it's game play should ever be attempted again.

in YOUR opinion...
Just an observation...

Hellenes

[Aetius the Last Roman]

RTR has nothing about that makes it worth playing. Creative text editing could do half of what RTR does. All the historical "accuracy" none of the BS.

And EB well the balls-to-the-wall arrogance displayed by that group is gag inducing. Their whole we know better than CA and are going to put out a mod that looks like crap (litterally given the colours palette they use) to prove how much we know and how great we are attitude.

But what bothers me most is that they all want to make RTW more like MTW ( ). MTW was the weakest TW and nothing about it's game play should ever be attempted again.

What is this anyway?

I have played RTR since its first build and if you see the amount of work you wouldn't claim that RTR was an amateur project. RTR was the first people who came up with the the Area of Recruitment (actually implemented it), created the Spain to India sized map and they created many new and different units. They were also willing to take on other mods into their own which I think requires a good deal of humility and compromise.

As for EB, 'walls to the balls arrogance' was deserved on their part. Never have I seen such pinpoint detail that is lacking in the Total War Series. On top of that little things like the trait systems overhaul (not really a small thing), the new method of buildings and recruitment, the random quests, weather movement restrictions and the new unique buildings.

EB deserves the arrogance they people perceive them to have (although personally I think they are pretty cool about what they have done). They have created mind-blowing mods and deserve to be congratulated, FACT. My experience with both is that RTR was great but just had too many cities (Seige:Total War got boring to fast) and EB needs to fix their faction expansion and the crashes . However that said they were both great mods and do not deserve your uneducated and unsubstantiated criticism, especially to the people who did really put work into those mods.

Lastly, given that MTW's (and even more so STW's) gameplay has been largely mythologised by the older TW players but it was still a good deal harder than RTW (generals running into phalanx's anyone). For one you could actually lose on MTW if you were playing on expert and on top of that the autoresolve button actually worked. If MTW was really so bad why do many people still play it from time to time.

I have an idea my friend, why don't you mind your words when you for one could not even come with a mod of even marginal value compared to the RTR and EB modders.

[AquaLurker]

I like RTR for its single player pace against AI, I like BI for its multi-player pace and balance. The multiplayer pace for RTR is just not right.

[Yukon Cornelius]

While he's no diplomat, don't take offense from Lars' words. He has strong opinions, sometimes doesn't explain them thoroughly, and writes in a rather brusk manner. I'm not under the impression he's trying to ruffle anyone's feathers.

[lars573]

What is this anyway?

I have played RTR since its first build and if you see the amount of work you wouldn't claim that RTR was an amateur project. RTR was the first people who came up with the the Area of Recruitment (actually implemented it), created the Spain to India sized map and they created many new and different units. They were also willing to take on other mods into their own which I think requires a good deal of humility and compromise.

It is an amateur project. AoR is horrible idea and should have been rejected out hand with out ever being considered.

As for EB, 'walls to the balls arrogance' was deserved on their part. Never have I seen such pinpoint detail that is lacking in the Total War Series. On top of that little things like the trait systems overhaul (not really a small thing), the new method of buildings and recruitment, the random quests, weather movement restrictions and the new unique buildings.

No it's not deserved. All they did was make RTW unplayable. If RTW had been like EB or RTR out of the box it would have failed so bably it would have been painful to watch. I would have returned it to the store and hoped CA would do better next time.

EB deserves the arrogance they people perceive them to have (although personally I think they are pretty cool about what they have done). They have created mind-blowing mods and deserve to be congratulated, FACT. My experience with both is that RTR was great but just had too many cities (Seige:Total War got boring to fast) and EB needs to fix their faction expansion and the crashes . However that said they were both great mods and do not deserve your uneducated and unsubstantiated criticism, especially to the people who did really put work into those mods.

I go by what I see and hear. I've vowed never to play either RTR or EB. And all I see and hear are bad ideas poorly executed. Uneducated ha!

Lastly, given that MTW's (and even more so STW's) gameplay has been largely mythologised by the older TW players but it was still a good deal harder than RTW (generals running into phalanx's anyone). For one you could actually lose on MTW if you were playing on expert and on top of that the autoresolve button actually worked. If MTW was really so bad why do many people still play it from time to time.

People still play it because they are incapapble of changing their play style to the more advanced RTW system. You can't play every single game the same way, and you can't expect to either.

I have an idea my friend, why don't you mind your words when you for one could not even come with a mod of even marginal value compared to the RTR and EB modders.

How about no. How about I say what I think and you stop tyring to mount your high horse.

lars, didn't you know how much you were going to get criticised for saying that? Not saying that you are wrong (although I disagree about EB and MTW) but this society has developed in such a way that if you want to criticise a mod that someone has made, you are GOING to protested.

Yes, but I had to say it. Aswell others are aloud to moan about regular RTW. So I should be able to do the same about these turds if I want.

That's a conscious decision here - we treat mod makers (and CA) as Org members - they usually are - and members are supposed to treat each other with respect. It is just plain rude to insult someone else's work. Criticism in neutral language is ok - constructive criticism is valuable - but using offensive language to denigrate other people's work is not acceptable.

If they were willing to accept anything aproaching constructive criticism I'd try. They only want praise, and bug fixes for their wastes of time.