Quote Originally Posted by lars573
RTR has nothing about that makes it worth playing. Creative text editing could do half of what RTR does. All the historical "accuracy" none of the BS.

And EB well the balls-to-the-wall arrogance displayed by that group is gag inducing. Their whole we know better than CA and are going to put out a mod that looks like crap (litterally given the colours palette they use) to prove how much we know and how great we are attitude.

But what bothers me most is that they all want to make RTW more like MTW ( ). MTW was the weakest TW and nothing about it's game play should ever be attempted again.
What is this anyway?

I have played RTR since its first build and if you see the amount of work you wouldn't claim that RTR was an amateur project. RTR was the first people who came up with the the Area of Recruitment (actually implemented it), created the Spain to India sized map and they created many new and different units. They were also willing to take on other mods into their own which I think requires a good deal of humility and compromise.

As for EB, 'walls to the balls arrogance' was deserved on their part. Never have I seen such pinpoint detail that is lacking in the Total War Series. On top of that little things like the trait systems overhaul (not really a small thing), the new method of buildings and recruitment, the random quests, weather movement restrictions and the new unique buildings.

EB deserves the arrogance they people perceive them to have (although personally I think they are pretty cool about what they have done). They have created mind-blowing mods and deserve to be congratulated, FACT. My experience with both is that RTR was great but just had too many cities (Seige:Total War got boring to fast) and EB needs to fix their faction expansion and the crashes . However that said they were both great mods and do not deserve your uneducated and unsubstantiated criticism, especially to the people who did really put work into those mods.

Lastly, given that MTW's (and even more so STW's) gameplay has been largely mythologised by the older TW players but it was still a good deal harder than RTW (generals running into phalanx's anyone). For one you could actually lose on MTW if you were playing on expert and on top of that the autoresolve button actually worked. If MTW was really so bad why do many people still play it from time to time.

I have an idea my friend, why don't you mind your words when you for one could not even come with a mod of even marginal value compared to the RTR and EB modders.