What's better, BI or RTR?

[lars573]

What is this anyway?

I have played RTR since its first build and if you see the amount of work you wouldn't claim that RTR was an amateur project. RTR was the first people who came up with the the Area of Recruitment (actually implemented it), created the Spain to India sized map and they created many new and different units. They were also willing to take on other mods into their own which I think requires a good deal of humility and compromise.

It is an amateur project. AoR is horrible idea and should have been rejected out hand with out ever being considered.

As for EB, 'walls to the balls arrogance' was deserved on their part. Never have I seen such pinpoint detail that is lacking in the Total War Series. On top of that little things like the trait systems overhaul (not really a small thing), the new method of buildings and recruitment, the random quests, weather movement restrictions and the new unique buildings.

No it's not deserved. All they did was make RTW unplayable. If RTW had been like EB or RTR out of the box it would have failed so bably it would have been painful to watch. I would have returned it to the store and hoped CA would do better next time.

EB deserves the arrogance they people perceive them to have (although personally I think they are pretty cool about what they have done). They have created mind-blowing mods and deserve to be congratulated, FACT. My experience with both is that RTR was great but just had too many cities (Seige:Total War got boring to fast) and EB needs to fix their faction expansion and the crashes . However that said they were both great mods and do not deserve your uneducated and unsubstantiated criticism, especially to the people who did really put work into those mods.

I go by what I see and hear. I've vowed never to play either RTR or EB. And all I see and hear are bad ideas poorly executed. Uneducated ha!

Lastly, given that MTW's (and even more so STW's) gameplay has been largely mythologised by the older TW players but it was still a good deal harder than RTW (generals running into phalanx's anyone). For one you could actually lose on MTW if you were playing on expert and on top of that the autoresolve button actually worked. If MTW was really so bad why do many people still play it from time to time.

People still play it because they are incapapble of changing their play style to the more advanced RTW system. You can't play every single game the same way, and you can't expect to either.

I have an idea my friend, why don't you mind your words when you for one could not even come with a mod of even marginal value compared to the RTR and EB modders.

How about no. How about I say what I think and you stop tyring to mount your high horse.

lars, didn't you know how much you were going to get criticised for saying that? Not saying that you are wrong (although I disagree about EB and MTW) but this society has developed in such a way that if you want to criticise a mod that someone has made, you are GOING to protested.

Yes, but I had to say it. Aswell others are aloud to moan about regular RTW. So I should be able to do the same about these turds if I want.

That's a conscious decision here - we treat mod makers (and CA) as Org members - they usually are - and members are supposed to treat each other with respect. It is just plain rude to insult someone else's work. Criticism in neutral language is ok - constructive criticism is valuable - but using offensive language to denigrate other people's work is not acceptable.

If they were willing to accept anything aproaching constructive criticism I'd try. They only want praise, and bug fixes for their wastes of time.

[hellenes]

It is an amateur project. AoR is horrible idea and should have been rejected out hand with out ever being considered.


No it's not deserved. All they did was make RTW unplayable. If RTW had been like EB or RTR out of the box it would have failed so bably it would have been painful to watch. I would have returned it to the store and hoped CA would do better next time.


I go by what I see and hear. I've vowed never to play either RTR or EB. And all I see and hear are bad ideas poorly executed. Uneducated ha!


People still play it because they are incapapble of changing their play style to the more advanced RTW system. You can't play every single game the same way, and you can't expect to either.


How about no. How about I say what I think and you stop tyring to mount your high horse.


Yes, but I had to say it. Aswell others are aloud to moan about regular RTW. So I should be able to do the same about these turds if I want.


If they were willing to accept anything aproaching constructive criticism I'd try. They only want praise, and bug fixes for their wastes of time.

1000000 sales of MTW and 100000 downloads of RTR pretty much diminish the whole point in this argument.

Hellenes

[lars573]

1000000 sales of MTW and 100000 downloads of RTR pretty much diminish the whole point in this argument.

Hellenes

I didn't say I don't have MTW just that is pales compared to RTW. Also 100000 dl's of RTR LOL!!! In your, and their, dreams.

[TosaInu]

[hellenes]

I didn't say I don't have MTW just that is pales compared to RTW. Also 100000 dl's of RTR LOL!!! In your, and their, dreams.

You are self inflicting blows on your credibility....RTR had 100000 downloads on first few days of release of 6.0...
I might disagree with the RTR team on the number of cities and other aspects but I only critisize them with points that I dont like and with suggestions how to improve/change things, and if I really want something to change Ill do my best presenting ARGUMENTS (spelling A R G U M E N T S) and convincing the team...eg http://forums.rometotalrealism.org/i...opic=10508&hl=
Its your right and opinion to adore dumbing down process and favour a more casual and relaxed stance towards the game, but you have to know that not all people have the same preferences as you and that YOUR definition of "fun" isnt a universal standard...

Hellenes

[Lord Winter]

Basically BI is faster then RTR smaller map less units
RTR slows the game down, so you cant conquer the world in the first 30 turns and adds a variety of new units.
If your looking for a challenge go to RTR.

[TB666]

No it's not deserved. All they did was make RTW unplayable. If RTW had been like EB or RTR out of the box it would have failed so bably it would have been painful to watch. I would have returned it to the store and hoped CA would do better next time.

I disagree.
If RTW was like RTR then yes the game would have been boring beyond belief but if RTW would have been like EB then it wouldn't have failed.
EB team has done amazing things with the game and the mod is still at a beta status. Once they have sorted out the CTDs and various other problems the mod will be the greatest ever.
EB is probably the most challenging mod(next to Darthmod) there is at the moment and that is always great

[lars573]

I doubt that. EB looks horrible. And most of what I've heard about the game play is not inspiring.

[Lord Winter]

You cant really judge EB right now its no were close to what a finished product will look like

[lars573]

You cant really judge EB right now its no were close to what a finished product will look like

Watch me. I decided it would suck 7 months ago. And added to my never play by choice unless paid extravagent sums of cash list.

[Lord Winter]

[Nelson]

The posts in this thread need to talk about specific aspects of BI or RTR. Talk about what you like and what you don’t like. Hurl insults and I will close this. Let's keep it civil.

[Ludens]

(...,) RTR and EB are crap and shouldn't have been released at all.

RTR has nothing about that makes it worth playing. Creative text editing could do half of what RTR does. All the historical "accuracy" none of the BS.

I go by what I see and hear. I've vowed never to play either RTR or EB. And all I see and hear are bad ideas poorly executed. Uneducated ha!

People still play it because they are incapapble of changing their play style to the more advanced RTW system. You can't play every single game the same way, and you can't expect to either.

I decided it would suck 7 months ago. And added to my never play by choice unless paid extravagent sums of cash list.

I can understand it if you just disliked them, but why this hostility? They are just mods. They didn't cost your money nor wasted your time.

If you think R:TW is the perfect game, that's cool. But other people might like different things. Like you said, you cannot expect to play every game the same way, and that also holds true for mods. So far, your arguments against EB and R:TR are that AoR is a bad idea, EB's skins are ugly and the slowing of the battle speed is not good. All of these are debatable.

[lars573]

I can understand it if you just disliked them, but why this hostility? They are just mods. They didn't cost your money nor wasted your time.

Yes it did waste my time. Plus the whole consept of a realism mod makes me angry.

If you think R:TW is the perfect game, that's cool. But other people might like different things. Like you said, you cannot expect to play every game the same way, and that also holds true for mods. So far, your arguments against EB and R:TR are that AoR is a bad idea, EB's skins are ugly and the slowing of the battle speed is not good. All of these are debatable.

No there not. I'm always right, end of story. If you disagree your wrong, period.

We're taking up a collection now.

Don't bother, you'd never raise enough. It would have to be 7 figures at least. Even then I'd just take it and laugh at you for giving it to me.

Don't. Send the money to charity, and let my Berserkers ( )make him play everyday and night. He has the worst taste EVAR!

If you liike EB you do. I have good taste.

[Malrubius]

And added to my never play by choice unless paid extravagent sums of cash list.

We're taking up a collection now.

[Copperhaired Berserker!]

Don't. Send the money to charity, and let my Berserkers ( )make him play everyday and night. He has the worst taste EVAR!

[TB666]

You should try it .
The units for the celtic factions looks amazing.
But it's a beta so the mod isn't complete but still it beats other mods that are complete.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

How about this: Anyone who vehemently criticizes ("sucks", "crap", "horrible", "arrogant", etc.) something they refuse to even *try*, in terms of a mod of a game they are very much interested in, deserves any amount of scorn and disgust that reasonable people can take the effort to throw their way.

edit: Any moderators ought to also realize that expressing an opinion about something (even if it is crude) is different from the type of extremely hostile and juvenile maligning that is going on here, *without any attempt to actually experience the thing they are spewing negative information about*.

[Catiline]

How about this: Anyone who vehemently criticizes ("sucks", "crap", "horrible", "arrogant", etc.) something they refuse to even *try*, in terms of a mod of a game they are very much interested in, deserves any amount of scorn and disgust that reasonable people can take the effort to throw their way.

edit: Any moderators ought to also realize that expressing an opinion about something (even if it is crude) is different from the type of extremely hostile and juvenile maligning that is going on here, *without any attempt to actually experience the thing they are spewing negative information about*.

We are, and it has been taken into account

[econ21]

edit: Any moderators ought to also realize that expressing an opinion about something (even if it is crude) is different from the type of extremely hostile and juvenile maligning that is going on here, ...

Members don't always see what action moderators take. But rest assured, mod bashing is not tolerated here. Now, let's move along, back to topic...

Edit: Gah! Catiline beat me to the punch.

[hellenes]

I doubt that. EB looks horrible. And most of what I've heard about the game play is not inspiring.

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[Bartix]

People still play it because they are incapapble of changing their play style to the more advanced RTW system. You can't play every single game the same way, and you can't expect to either.

One of most common complaints about "more advanced RTW system" is it's too easy!

On topic: RTR > BI (imo) but I would not want to be without BI either.