Protectorates-client kingdoms.

**Mooks** · 02-03-2006, 14:25

They should make it in this new game where the enemy almost has to join you. Back then people valued their lives more highly then lets say...1province and a completely bankrupt economy. The resistance to being a protectorate in RTW and Bi was a joke.

Thoughts? Ill post more later.

**The Blind King of Bohemia** · 02-03-2006, 14:35

I think to get a good vassel system to work every rebel town or city should act independently, so you could have some rebels towns being your allies and helping you out in times of war. Rebels fighting rebels as well. I know it would be difficult to do but it would make the game so much better and realistic

**zakalwe** · 02-03-2006, 14:36

yes, easier certainly. i don't think that you should have to do militarily bully a faction into being a vassal (better term than protectorates for this period, i'd say).

if a faction has been weakened or is under threat by others, they should ask to be your vassal.

eg - a faction is down to its last city and is being besieged. your king receives an envoy begging for you to intervene and in exchange for you lifting the siege, they will swear to be your vassals. You sent your army in, defeat their enemy and that faction is now your vassal and close military ally.

A high influence or piety of your ruler would help influence this. If a shitty heir came to the throne with a bad influence, the faction might break its vassalage.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 02-03-2006, 15:06

Yes, I think that sounds like the best way to work it. In RTW I think it is more appropriate to have a higher resistance but times have changed by 1080.

**Orda Khan** · 02-03-2006, 18:15

Originally Posted by zakalwe

yes, easier certainly. i don't think that you should have to do militarily bully a faction into being a vassal (better term than protectorates for this period, i'd say).

if a faction has been weakened or is under threat by others, they should ask to be your vassal.

eg - a faction is down to its last city and is being besieged. your king receives an envoy begging for you to intervene and in exchange for you lifting the siege, they will swear to be your vassals. You sent your army in, defeat their enemy and that faction is now your vassal and close military ally.

A high influence or piety of your ruler would help influence this. If a shitty heir came to the throne with a bad influence, the faction might break its vassalage.

What a very good suggestion!! This would certainly add to the realism of the game. I do hope CA are visiting and making notes, if they implement some of the ideas raised MTW II will be the greatest game ever

......Orda

**spmetla** · 02-04-2006, 04:11

It's been a while since I saw a CA sheild on the left side of a post so I fear we won't be heard.

**Sykotyk Rampage** · 02-04-2006, 04:53

hahaha of course they hear us ...they follow us everywhere they bug our offices and scan our computers and change our settings ...
CA the ghost in the machine......