RTW Question

BHCWarman88 · 02-05-2006, 22:09

but the guys I play put their guys into a Box Formation though..

**Ludens** · 02-06-2006, 15:52

Originally Posted by BHCWarman88

but the guys I play put their guys into a Box Formation though..

All the better. Make sure you have more archers (Macedon gets Cretans as well) and let the sky rain arrows. Also remember that the shield is ineffective against attacks from the right or rear. Spartan carry no armour, so arrows are deadly against them.

**orangat** · 02-06-2006, 16:24

Originally Posted by Ludens

All the better. Make sure you have more archers (Macedon gets Cretans as well) and let the sky rain arrows. Also remember that the shield is ineffective against attacks from the right or rear. Spartan carry no armour, so arrows are deadly against them.

Actually Spartans have an armour rating of 3, 9, 5. Since shields confer double protection, that would a nominal rating of 13 def from the front but they do have a weak 3 in the rear.

**Monarch** · 02-06-2006, 16:46

Originally Posted by BHCWarman88

but the guys I play put their guys into a Box Formation though..

Good old multiplayer cheese.

Well your definately need peltasts then. As the box position is very defensive and highly immobile, I once played as Julii online against a Greek using the cheesy box thing, I lined up Cohorts in front of their phlanx, and set them to fire at will. There lines got very depleted, so even charging them head on they didn't have enoughp ikes to keep my legionaires at bay, they couldn't move without opening a weak spot for my Praetorians to charge into.

Perhaps do this with your silver shield legions (since they throw javelins before charge), whilst simulataneously have cretans kill whatevers in their box (archers, peltasts, onagers etc).

**Ludens** · 02-06-2006, 19:06

Originally Posted by Sovereign

Well your definately need peltasts then.

The box contains Cretan archers.

While I agree with your assessment that missile troops are necessary, peltasts are likely to get slaughtered by the Cretans. Also, a peltast carries only three javelins, while an archer has perhaps thirty arrows. Since we are not facing armoured troops or mobile troops, quantity may beat quality here (but I still advice taking Cretans above normal archers: if they are in a box you will have to take them out with missiles of your own).

Originally Posted by orangat

Actually Spartans have an armour rating of 3, 9, 5. Since shields confer double protection, that would a nominal rating of 13 def from the front but they do have a weak 3 in the rear.

IIRC an armour rating of 3 is for unamoured units. Otherwise you are correct, but since the enemy is in a box formation there will always be units presenting their unshielded rear and right sides.

**Monarch** · 02-06-2006, 19:12

Originally Posted by Ludens

The box contains Cretan archers.

While I agree with your assessment that missile troops are necessary, peltasts are likely to get slaughtered by the Cretans. Also, a peltast carries only three javelins, while an archer has perhaps thirty arrows. Since we are not facing armoured troops or mobile troops, quantity may beat quality here (but I still advice taking Cretans above normal archers: if they are in a box you will have to take them out with missiles of your own).

IIRC an armour rating of 3 is for unamoured units. Otherwise you are correct, but since the enemy is in a box formation there will always be units presenting their unshielded rear and right sides.

Heh, I meant for the cretans to slog it out with other cretans, kill them, then move pelasts in. In my experience, arrows on phanxes will eventually get a few kills, but certianly not as many as a peltast. However as you say, peltasts only get a few javelins, so instead of peltats, use legionaires, they arfe just as effective and good for something afterwards. Also they wont get slaughtered by cretans.

**x-dANGEr** · 02-06-2006, 19:30

But legions are way better than normal peltasts, they have the 'AP' attribute which is quite a good addition. I suggest you pick around 4 Phalanx (Secludids' best ones), and as much archers as you can get, along with catas. Beat enemy's archers with yours, then focus all your phalanx on 1 Spartan unit (After weakening it would be better) and you will clash through their wall. Then, if he doesn't turn other phalanx on you, just take them out 1 by 1, and if he does assign the other units to attack you, charge them in the rear/flank with your catas.

BHCWarman88 · 02-06-2006, 21:55

like I had 1 cav unit and 2 ele units attack this guy's spartians in the Rear because he had them in like a 5 man in front,and 8 man wide or something,some goofy march formation,and he still massarce me..

I can be any faction,inclduing spear factions like Macdon,Egypt,Armeina,Pontus,etc.. but I can't beat Greece,don't know why. . even if I am Rome, I still get slaughter.. mabye it because I suck,lol

**Monarch** · 02-07-2006, 16:39

I think if your really desperate for help it would help us, helping you, if we knew exactly what the guys where doing with Greece which you found so tough. We've said the obvious; flanking, picking a weak spot etc etc. But perhaps a screen or two of the formations which have got you stuck?