Errm i don't think i did keep it, probably over wrote it, sorry i'll have a look, while the original looks ok in the shots i put up the problem was underneath the helmet in as much that it would be impossible to take it off, i know that sounds silly as they can't take them off anyway but they just looked a little odd, and was bugging me.

This is the reference pic i used, i could have beefed up the gloss file to make it more flash, but then it might look odd compared to the armour. hmm i'll do some tests to see what it looks like. remember though my knights are early representations and i've tried to reflect that by making thier armour and helmets simple.