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    I just wanted to hear some people thoughts on the whole idea of communism.

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    Well everytime when this comes up.I have the same answer:If today we would equally share all the money and wealth among us by tomorrow morning that wouldnt be the case anymore.The communism is a damn fine idea,but thats about it is an idea.It will never work in the real world.Becouse people are individuals and have their invidual talents and weaknesses by sharing everything equally among everyone ,everyone should also contribute the same amount to the society which is impossible
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    Milleniarian "new better world" ideas rarely work too well in practice. Marx was a damn fine analyst and critic of capitalism, but as often is the case with good analysts and critics his attempts to come up with alternative systems ... left something to be desired.

    Not to mention that *anything* that basically relies on consciously rebuilding society to certain exacting specifications is most likely doomed to go wrong out of sheer overoptimism. Human societies aren't that simple and easy to manipulate.
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    Russianscar, this question is hard to answer, because there are so many different versions of C. And there is not much experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha
    ...If today we would equally share all the money and wealth among us by tomorrow morning that wouldnt be the case anymore. ...
    Communism does not have to mean that everybody is the identical and gets the same (although some understood it like that.) Communism means that each individual has its own needs and properties. Everyone should get what he needs and contribute the best he can. So the fundmental idea is much more noble than the idea of fascism or capitalism.
    The problems begin if you start to practice. How do you decide what someone needs. How to you insure that everyone does his share?

    If you want to know the best case scenario, read William Morris. News from Nowhere; if you want to take the worst case, read George Orwell: 1984;
    So C could be a dream or a nightmare.

    One more note: Do not think that Communism = Marxism = Stalinism;
    There is much more in it.

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    Or that Communism = Socialism = Social Democracy, as seems to be a common assumed equivalency chain in certain circles.
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    Communism

    A very dangerous idea - making everyone equal in everything is not possible, unless it means making everyone equally poor, opressed and terrified.

    Giving everyone equal opportunities is enough, I wouldn't risk giving enyone a chance to try implementing communism once again - much more than 95 000 000 paid for this with their lives, few willingly.

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    What is 'equal opportunities'? Isn't it as impossible as the communistic ideals? The rich ones have always more opportunities. The smarter ones too.

    It always end in the French revolution slogan: 'LIBERTE; EGALITE; FRATERNITE'. Every nations has to decide what the balance is between the three and how much it can stand of each one.

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