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    Heh, it is time to turn the tables on the unwashed zealots. I saw a great piece today by the German journalist Sonia Mikich: What Next, Bearded One?

    Her tv program Monitor by the way practises investigative journalism as it should be, and it is probably the best of its kind on German tv. Anyway, I think women sense the threat to our freedoms emanating from the bearded idiots more acutely than men. They stand even more to lose if we give in to the nonsense. Anyone else have ideas how we can take this fight to the idiots?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonia Mikich
    Human rights, women's rights and the right to liberty are the most exalted in the history of humanity; this is the tradition in which I was raised. Values that make the world better and more peaceful.

    I demand that the governments of Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Indonesia and Egypt apologise to me. Otherwise I am unfortunately forced to threaten, beat up, kidnap or behead their citizens. Because I am somewhat sensitive about my cultural identity.

    I feel offended.

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    I feel offended as well for my wife, mom, daughter, stranger with a vagina, etc sakes. I'm going to go riot!!!
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    It's a damn good point: take them all to the UN court of Human Rights Abuses. the Koran can be exhibit #1.

    And as it is the root cause of the problem I pose that it should be banned as inciting deprivation of human rights...

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    Nice find, AdrianII - I just read the German version on the taz-website

    and it is probably the best of its kind on German tv
    Indeed - also, I always liked the stern face of Klaus Bednarz... (but Sonia isn't bad either)

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    She hits the nail right on the head. How can practitioners of a religion that condones the subjugation of just over 50% of the world's population expect any of us to have any sympathy for their "feelings?"

    I'll tell you what Islam: I think I may be just on the verge of feeling sorry for you. You start holding your collective breath, and I'll let you know when I get there.

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    Yup, I don't like what they do either. But I'm a racist cracker.

    But what about multi-culturalism? Don't we have to accept and embrace their practices? What they believe is just as valid as what you believe isn't it? Who are you to judge them?

    Azi

    P.S. I think this is very interesting.

    http://www.signandsight.com/features/590.html

    And I still want to see those cartoons!
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    ...bloody nonexistent moral high ground...

    Shall we start reciting The White Man's Burden in chorus while we're at it ?
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    Sonia is my new hero. This crap has driven me up the wall ever since I found out how rape victims are treated over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Sonia is my new hero. This crap has driven me up the wall ever since I found out how rape victims are treated over there.
    I'll bite. I don't know what happens to rape victims. Are they killed?

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    The following made me sick to read, so be warned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Finally some people are realising that just because the American right has been saying it, doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.
    Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...



    At any rate, while I agree that Islam as a whole has no right to take the moral high ground in this case, please don't take this agreement as my aquiescence to related cases that some on the right may now try to make, like "multiculturalism is bad," "the invasion of Iraq was good," or "GWB is smarter than a bowl of mushy-peas."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    The following made me sick to read, so be warned.

    This is what you get in societies where the virginity of the bride is considered paramount. That is one piece of tradition that needs to go and take its odious spawn with it, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    Hey, even a broken clock is right twice a day...



    At any rate, while I agree that Islam as a whole has no right to take the moral high ground in this case, please don't take this agreement as my aquiescence to related cases that some on the right may now try to make, like "multiculturalism is bad," "the invasion of Iraq was good," or "GWB is smarter than a bowl of mushy-peas."
    Heh. I had edited that out a few moments ago realizing I didn't even wanna go down this road, and just be happy for once that it seems other countries' citizens are waking up to it (besides Fraggony.)


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    God, I hate the middle east. I admit it, I hate them, and I hate everything that their dictators and ultramoralistic governments do to innocent people. War is obviously not the answer, nor is bombing them into a sheet of glass... they just need a good punch in the nose.

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    I wouldn't call what borders on mental regression of a century "waking up". But YMMV.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    I think you're missing the big picture... a Westener drew a cartoon...

    For acts of depravity like that there should be some protests in the West. It didn't even make the British papers, damnit!!! I nothing else a good riposte showing the rioters here how things are under these "utopias"

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    The West regularly ignores far worse and numerous human-rights violations. Get a grip and ditch the CNN Phenomenom.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    The following made me sick to read, so be warned.
    ...the unimaginable horror those dogs call justice…
    "The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."


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    Yes, yes, babies get arms hcked off with machetes, women get raped etc etc. BUT they are NOT based upon a religion. I'd imagine in most other acts the perpotrators believe what they are doing is wrong - they just choose to do it. For that reason I feel that this is "special".

    Also in few of the cases do the prosecutors of excess blame the west for something so trivial.

    Bravo for dismissing so much suffering on the grounds that "there's worse in the world"

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    People are dreadfully competent in explaining away the most horrific things to their own benefit.

    AFAIK most of the misogynism Islam tends to get credit for isn't actually an article of the faith itself - or at least liberal and progressive Muslims generally seem quite capable of interpreting it that way, which suggests there's not too much explicitly stated on the topic in the texts. Not that explicit commandements from the scriptures hadn't been played fast and loose with before when deemed necessary either.

    It's more a question of stuck-up old traditions and customs that get given the religious make-up for extra justification. Female circumscision has nothing to do with Islam for example, but I'm willing to bet a fat wad of cash African Muslim populaces that practice it will on the average happily try to tell you different.
    It's not that long ago when the situation was only marginally better here - horrible discriminations were cheerfully justified with quotes from the Bible. Well, despite the best efforts of reactionaries we've been getting better although it's been a long and rocky road. The Muslims haven't been even trying for too long (for most of them the Middle Ages only stopped about a century or so ago, after all), and ...other issues... have gotten mixed up into the question to muddle it further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman

    ...bloody nonexistent moral high ground...

    Shall we start reciting The White Man's Burden in chorus while we're at it ?
    By 'taking the fight to the idiots' I don't mean taking it to all Muslims. Moderate Arabs or Muslims (particularly the women) suffer just as much under their zealot brothers, if not more, than the white man. Just today there are encouraging reports from Denmark about Muslim organisations making a stand against the violence and hysteria and declaring themselves proud to be Danish. That puts paid to the Fragony's who always maintain that Muslims are all backward, and incorrigibly so.

    Oh, and I do not share the notion that violence and oppression can be blamed on any particular book, in this case the Quran, and that it should serve as an exhibit in a court case against Islam. We have more important things to do than make ourselves look ridiculous in the eyes of future generations. We should leave that to the demonstrators and their paymasters.
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    An absurd image of a court of law frantically trying to find a judge or a suitable translator to actually understand Exhibit A against Islam, the Qu'ran, written in gazillion-year-old Classic Arabic ("Accept No Substitutes!" quite literally, as it is my understanding translations simply don't count as the real thing *period*), just popped into my mind.

    Either I have an overly graphic imagination, or I shouldn't keep hanging here after midnight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchman
    This is what you get in societies where the virginity of the bride is considered paramount.
    Huh? Sex before marriage is frowned upon in the Christian faith. One of the most holy figures in Catholicism is pretty famous for her virginity. This is what happens in societies rife with fundamentalism, it has nothing to do with virgin brides.

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    Oh, yes it does. You see, most of European cultures were never terribly concerned with the issue; many actually had a rather laissez-faire approach to maritial fidelity and sex before marriage, and screw the clergy.

    Well, until around the end of the Middle Ages but then women's social standing kind of took a nosedive around that point too. But what I've heard of the practices of Finnish peasantry all the way into the 19th century suggests pragmatism (and recognition of the natural urges of young folks) was even then often considered more important than lofty principles.

    It's a culture thing. Crap along the lines mentioned here (such as underage marriages) is prevalent in all the ones that for one reason or another attach excessive special significance to bridal virginity. Female circumscision is among the more extreme manifestations of the theme.
    "Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. --- Proof of the existence of the FSM, if needed, can be found in the recent uptick of global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters. Apparently His Pastaness is to be worshipped in full pirate regalia. The decline in worldwide pirate population over the past 200 years directly corresponds with the increase in global temperature. Here is a graph to illustrate the point."

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    I thought the even the Vikings were fairly well known for their (at the time) fairly equal standards towards women, I mean they couldn't go off and plunder england or anything (which really hasn't changed too much), but it wasn't considered an injustice for a woman to get a divorce based on the situation of the relationship.

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    Christians were outraged about :
    "What if there's no heaven" (the song)
    "The Last temptation of Christ" (really soaked their linnens on this one - even if Christ won out in the long run).
    "Dogma" (well, it was sacraligious - to the nits that don't grasp a joke, or comprehend a parallell). Much like the twits worshiping Mohamad (rather than Allah), alot like those worshiping Jesus rather than God.

    Thing is, it took months for the nut cases that set this off to find this reason to set a buncha illiterates off. In the USA, the educated are set off daily to justify or demean .... anything for or against - .... anything they don't believe ("Im not a fan of facts. You see, facts can change, but my opinion never will change - no matter what the facts are. Stephen Colbert). It's the way it is in free societys and we are so use to it that it is meaningless.

    Further, the cartoons are not the issue - it is: when a nation does not realise it is being played by another. It is a beautiful thing. Don't you think? The west, playing the west - to convince those most opposed to Bush's policies that they were wrong. It is like saying - "seeee , seeeee, we told you that we are right .... and we were (9/11/01 justifies everything - didn't you know?).

    Bush maybe an idiot, but those leading him by his nose ring are not. Amazing how simple things become when you can put it in the perspective of "who has what to gain" and how do they gain it?

    edit: for effect - er, spelling (never did get past the third row - you know?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KafirChobee
    Christians were outraged about :
    "What if there's no heaven" (the song)
    "The Last temptation of Christ" (really soaked their linnens on this one - even if Christ won out in the long run).
    "Dogma" (well, it was sacraligious - to the nits that don't grasp a joke, or comprehend a parallell). Much like the twits worshiping Mohamad (rather than Allah), alot like those worshiping Jesus rather than God.
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    Ser Clegane and I are asking that users who create threads try to use accurate or informative titles.
    I feel offended that this thread title does not follow the above-quoted thread title rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    I feel offended that this thread title does not follow the above-quoted thread title rule.
    Is that a death threat? Or are you just going to burn a Dutch embassy?
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    I feel offended that you watch German TV. Dutch multi-culturalism really goes too far. I would accept it if you watch Fußball instead!

    I agree that many in the middle east are just crazy as bats. But what can be done? Bombing does not help, occupation does not help, economic cooperation does not help. Maybe we should just get out there and leave them alone until the fever is gone; a couple of decades at least. But what about the oil?

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