Abu Hamza not guilty

[Tribesman]

Justice at work , the mad "preacher" has been found not guilty in a court of law , justice has been done .
This shows that the British courts can sometimes work well and they must be congratulated on bringing in not guilty verdicts on the four charges .

They must be congratulated even more on bringing in guilty verdicts on the other 11 charges .

[Devastatin Dave]

Good for him, now he can go back to preaching and leading muslim youths to terrorist acts. Please tell me that you think this man should walk do you?

[rory_20_uk]

Can't you (i.e. America) extradite the bugger to Texas and solve this problem once and for all?

That he loathes Britain, yet lives on benefits and in court was given a lawyer is vexing to say the least. He wastes resources others might need, such as oxygen

[Ironside]

Good for him, now he can go back to preaching and leading muslim youths to terrorist acts. Please tell me that you think this man should walk do you?

Well if I read Tribesman correctly he was convicted on 11 charges and freed on 4. I hardly call that walking free.

My guess for the initial post is that's kudos to the court for still doing fair judgements and not running with the "He's guilty" even before the trail have started. Mixed with a little and to make the blood run in some conservative veins.

[Marcellus]

Just to make it triple clear to people reading this thread, Hamza was found guilty on eleven charges, including incitement to murder and stirring up racial hatred, and has been sentenced to seven years in prison.

[Devastatin Dave]

7 years is considered justice?

[Monarch]

I just think it's so ironic. He married (though probaby divorced?) a western woman, he was happy to take british citizenship, use our health care, our everything else and yet he hates Britain so much. Well Mr. Hamza, why dont you leave?

I just never understood that....

Anyway,

[Divinus Arma]

Tribesman,

Your post suggests that you favor Hamza. It appears that you support his release and that you support his teachings. Am I misunderstanding you?

[Adrian II]

Tribesman,

Your post suggests that you favor Hamza. It appears that you support his release and that you support his teachings. Am I misunderstanding you?

Hahahahaha!!!

[Divinus Arma]

Hahahahaha!!!

Why is this funny?

[Duke Malcolm]

I believe Tribesman was implementing that arcane skill known only as "sarcasm"...

[Devastatin Dave]

I just think it's so ironic. He married (though probaby divorced?) a western woman, he was happy to take british citizenship, use our health care, our everything else and yet he hates Britain so much. Well Mr. Hamza, why dont you leave?

I just never understood that....

Anyway,

Its amazing isn't it. Its like watching professional black athlets here in the States whine about being held down by the Man while recieving millions playing kids sports and banging a hot white trophy wife.

[Ser Clegane]

Why is this funny?

They must be congratulated even more on bringing in guilty verdicts on the other 11 charges .

Very clear statement I would say...

[Adrian II]

Why is this funny?

Because it is so obvious what Tribesman was stating: a functioning court (one that dare stand up to public expectations and refuses to chose the easy way out of a difficult case) is as least as important in the fight against terrorism as a timely conviction --if not more important. And because your post made it so blatantly obvious that the whole concept is alien to you.

[Goofball]

Its amazing isn't it. Its like watching professional black athlets here in the States whine about being held down by the Man while recieving millions playing kids sports and banging a hot white trophy wife.

Okay you win Dave, I can't resist feeding the troll.

I know it's OT but why did the words "black" and "white" have to be in that sentence?

And what could you possibly find offensive about an athlete having sex with his own wife?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Okay you win Dave, I can't resist feeding the troll.

I know it's OT but why did the words "black" and "white" have to be in that sentence?

And what could you possibly find offensive about an athlete having sex with his own wife?

Actually, its the whining he finds offensive. He's using the black/white dichotomy to emphasize even further that these highly paid entertainers should be, logically, in no position to complain about being "kept down" by the majority white society. The classic counter-argument is the marginalized gladiator thing, wherein the "gladiator" is well rewarded but doomed to an unusually short and "dead-end" career/existence.

It is, also, a pretty irresistable troll.

Hey, mods, we need a really big hairy smiley-troll for the smilies list. Anybody got one?

[Divinus Arma]

Actually I read his post wrong.

Tribesman, my apologies. This is why I asked if I read your post correctly.

I thought you wrote that the courts must be congratulated more for the innocent findings than the guilty findings.

[InsaneApache]

Indeed. A good show for Her Majesties Judiciary.

Perhaps a message has been sent, perhaps not. The fact that this 'scholar' was allowed to roam free for so long is nothing but testimony to our tolerance of free speech. However, as it has been demonstrated in another thread, free speech presents it's own quandaries.

[Mount Suribachi]

7 years is considered justice?

Oh, but it gets better!

The judge said he would have to serve "one half to two thrids of the sentance"

But it gets even better!

Thats, between 1/2 and 2/3 of the sentence less time already served awaiting trial and less time spent fighting extradition!!!



Wow, first backroom post in like, forever

[Watchman]

Around here "imprisoned for life" means "sit tight about 12 years, after which the President automatically lets you go free." I don't think the Prez actually gets much say in the matter either, actually...

Odd as it may be for some, it seems to work well enough.

[Tribesman]

Actually I read his post wrong.


Divinus , it was written that way and given the title that it has specifically to see who would jump .

[Don Corleone]

Okay, the phrase 'too clever by half' comes to mind. I know I'm not the clever wordsmith Tribesman tends to be, and granted, I've been obsessing about WCDMA constellation error vector magnitude results for the past 10 hours, but would somebody kindly help this feeble-mind get to the point of Tribesman's original post. I see three possible meanings:

1) He's glad that the court returned not guilty on some charges but guilty on others... i.e. that the court took the time to weigh each charge and didn't just drop the hammer or kick him loose.... (based on the discussion of sarcasm and Adrian's sardonic laughter, I doubt option 1 is correct)

2) He was being sarcastic in the first part of the post yet truthful in the 2nd.... he was upset they returned 'not guilty' on any of the charges (seems to make the most sense reading the post as clearly I can, in light of option 1 being removed, but given Tribesman's past views, I find this unlikely)

or

3) He was being truthful in the first part of the post and sarcastic in the 2nd. He thinks the guy is totally innocent and the Brittish court should have let him go with an apology for the inconveniance. (Based on what I know of Tribesman's views from his posting history, I'd have to guess option 3, but it's not supported (in my mind) by the actual text, even accounting for sarcasm).

So Tribesman, have a good laugh at that ignant Merican, but PLEASE, while you do, tell me what exactly were you saying?

[Proletariat]

Divinus , it was written that way and given the title that it has specifically to see who would jump .

Considering how seldom you're ever heard on this board being concerned with terrorists being brought to justice, I don't see why you're being so smug about someone 'taking the bait.'

If I spoke in ebonics on this forum for months and then one day posted a picture of myself as a black woman, I wouldn't be saying 'GOTCHA! UR DUMM!!' to anyone who fell for it.

[Divinus Arma]

Tribesman, what's your deal?

I said I read your post wrong. I apologized with respect. Then you rub it in my face?


Proly, thanks for lookin out...

[Goofball]

It is, also, a pretty irresistable troll.

I know!

And it drives me crazy, because no matter how much I know I should stay away from it, I just can't help myself! I'm all over it like a fat kid on a Smartie!

I'm weak...

[Don Corleone]

EDIT:
Okay, maybe my blood sugar's a little low. But all kidding aside folks, would somebody please spell out in plain English, no sarcasm, no double entendres, what exactly Tribesman meant by this thread and his initial post in this thread. Option 1, 2, 3 or 'none of the above' is fine (provided you explain what should have been above). I'm not kidding, I feel like I'm trying to look at 'Magic Eye' again, I just don't get it...

[Watchman]

By general consensus, apparently the one you labeled #1. My reading of the OP says the same.

I also somewhat fail to perceive the difficulty.

[Goofball]

I also somewhat fail to perceive the difficulty.

Me three.

[Papewaio]

#1

It was worded to appear that he was happy with not guilty... however

They must be congratulated even more on bringing in guilty verdicts on the other 11 charges

. Means that he was even happier with guilty.

So overall he is very very happy with a fully functional court that considered each of the verdicts. Rather then having closed trials that have a political need to be all guilty or not guilty...

They must be congratulated even more on bringing in guilty verdicts on the other 11 charges .

BTW DC the WCDMA... is it professional or amatuer level astronomy?

[lancelot]

I just pray that our yankee cousins will do something useful for once and extradite this sick freak and relieve him of that oxygen habit he has got...

I mean really..what has the world come to when you can have a mosque full of terrorist training manuals, guns, knives, gas masks!!! etc etc and then waste tax-payer time and money by basing your whole courtroom defence on the fact that he was only preaching spiritual jihad and not physical jihad!?!? WTF?

All to remain a free man in a nation he described as 'a toilet'....this guy must be laughing all the way to the bank...

7 years...no way is that enough....once again the UK justice system benefits the criminal....and he will appeal, wasting more of our money....