Danish paper to publish Iran's Holocaust cartoons

[Goofball]

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimesc...627073&k=17035

The plot thickens even more. Apparently this is meant as a test to see whether the west is as tolerant as respectful of free speech as we say we are.

Seems like apples to oranges to me (joking about an event that involved the torture, starvation and murder of millions of people vs. portraying a religious figure in a funny hat), and I would suggest that the only appropriate response would be for those of us who are offended by Holocaust jokes to stop buying this particular newspaper, as muslims the world over were free to do when it published the cartoon that so offended them.

[Watchman]

head hurts.
too childish.


Tit for tat huh ? This is getting just stupid.

[Papewaio]

The only people winning are the ultra-nationalists in the West and their equivalent in the Middle East.

[Watchman]

They ought to start burning mosques any day now.
Well, unless the local authorities have of course been using their heads and placed those under guard just in case. Back when I visited Rome there was a Carabiniere with an SMG and armour vest standing at every corner of one synagogue I saw, so...

[GoreBag]

"I think it is like asking a rape victim if she regrets wearing a short skirt at a discotheque Friday night."

Awesome.

Ah, well, we'll see how this turns out. I expect Germany to be pissed.

[Leet Eriksson]

How about insulting moses too?

I mean its just getting silly on both sides now.

[GoreBag]

How about insulting moses too?

I mean its just getting silly on both sides now.

Moses gets insulted all the time. I've seen action figures depicting him and his accessories, like a crook, and the commandments. He even had Tablet-Smashing Action.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I like it. If the want to test free speech they may as well test it all out.

[Watchman]

Yeah, but bad taste is bad taste no matter how you look at it. And this isn't bad enough to qualify as "camp" either, so it's just depressing.

[Kagemusha]

Hate is the path to the dark side.

[Adrian II]

Seems like apples to oranges to me (joking about an event that involved the torture, starvation and murder of millions of people vs. portraying a religious figure in a funny hat), and I would suggest that the only appropriate response would be for those of us who are offended by Holocaust jokes to stop buying this particular newspaper, as muslims the world over were free to do when it published the cartoon that so offended them.

Oh, but I certainly want to see those Iranian cartoons. And I will make sure I do, even though it will probably involve paying in some way towards the rights of the makers and publishers. One needs to stay posted in my business.

And before we judge, let us see exactly how this plays out. Making fun of the victims of the Holocaust is something entirely different from, let us say, making fun of people who abuse the Holocaust for personal or political purposes, a.k.a. the 'Holocaust industry'. Jewish audiences sometimes protest the latter in the most vehement manner and on the same purely emotional and irrational grounds that we see on display in the Arab streets today, but we don't give in to them, nor should we.

I also wonder how many of the Iranian cartoons will be merely anti-Semitic, depicting Jews as some inferior race instead of addressing the topic, i.e. the Holocaust.

And finally I am willing to bet that no matter how the Iranian cartoons are going to turn out, the debate about them will be in terms of hurt feelings. Not a rational argument about what constitutes a lie, slander or opinion, but yet another whining contest in the worst post-modern fashion.

Oh, I am so huuurt!...

[rory_20_uk]

Well, the Man From Iran said it best "comparing the Nazi Genocide to a disrespectful cartoon".

What about free "Life Of Brian" DVDs to every reader? Or a satirical version of the Lord's Prayer - something to do with religion!!!

I hope we can have a good giggle over the Iranians' who walked over the Iraqi minefields in their war. I think that was just as funny as as genocide.

[Dâriûsh]

Before we all get too excited: the Danish newspaper will not post the Hamshahri pictures.

[Sjakihata]

Correct, it was a misunderstanding that the Chief Editor Carsten Juste demented several times. It is NOT going to happen.

[A.Saturnus]

I say publish them. At least if they're funny. A caricature doesn't incite violence.

[Brenus]

It will difficult to publish these Iranian cartoons in France. If they deny the reality of the Holocaust, or incite to racial hatred, there is a law against that.
About the Life of Brian, can we have the Life of Yusuf made by some Arabic/Muslim people and broadcast in the Muslim world? I very doubt it.
What I find interesting is the alleged offence against Muslim was made in a Christian Kingdom and the Iranian answer is about Jews…

[Samurai Waki]

It seems like Iran has a one-track mind. You say to Iranian "I hate Cake." and he replies "Yes. I hate the Jews too."

[Devastatin Dave]

I like it because it will show the contrast between Islam's reaction to insignificant issues and the reaction of just about everyone else on this earth in the reaction this recieves from those insulted by these pictures. Praise Allah...

[GoreBag]

It seems like Iran has a one-track mind. You say to Iranian "I hate Cake." and he replies "Yes. I hate the Jews too."

That makes me wish I knew some Iranians.

Anyway, all this talk of mocking the Holocaust brought a certain joke image to mind. I had to do it.

and I had to remove it - "jokes" involving Holocaust victims are not really what we would like to see here - they rather attest to bad taste than to humor (Ser Clegane)

That last bit's your opinion, mang.

[Goofball]

That makes me wish I knew some Iranians.

Anyway, all this talk of mocking the Holocaust brought a certain joke image to mind. I had to do it.

see comment in previous post - Ser Clegane

I don't get it.

[Watchman]

The DJ and his paraphenelia make it very surreal.

[rory_20_uk]

They're supposed to be being thrown out of a club by men with guns? Not even in East End London do they do that here...

[Adrian II]

That makes me wish I knew some Iranians.

Anyway, all this talk of mocking the Holocaust brought a certain joke image to mind. I had to do it.

You had to? Do you think that picture is appropriate at all?

There is a huge difference between making fun of someone like Mohammed who committed genocide, and making fun of Jews who were the victims of genocide.

In case some members do not understand this difference, maybe the mods can advise them. If the picture is allowed to stay here, we might as well show pictures that make light of the victims of '9/11', the tsunami and other recent tragedies. And we shouldn't worry about PG13 issues at all, because if this picture is PG13, anything goes.

[Ser Clegane]

The picture probably does not violate any PG13 rules, however, I consider it to be highly offensive, considering that it is presented as a "joke"

[Leet Eriksson]

Freedom of speech indeed...

[Ser Clegane]

Freedom of speech indeed...

I case this is referring to the removal of the picture - whatever is posted on this forum is subject to the forum rules.
Content and context play a role in moderators' decisions what constitutes a violation of these rules and what does not.

[Leet Eriksson]

I case this is referring to the removal of the picture - whatever is posted on this forum is subject to the forum rules.
Content and context play a role in moderators' decisions what constitutes a violation of these rules and what does not.

No i didn't refer to the SA photoshop Gorebag posted, but the refusal of the danish newspaper to publish the holocaust charicatures.

I lost my faith in freedom of speech. The Muhammed cartoons were offensive, tasteless, and stereotyped yet the Jyllands-Posten newspaper published them, so why not go on and publish the hamshari newspaper cartoons? They know full well these cartoons are tasteless and stupid, but they didn't publish them, where is the freedom of speech in that?

[Ser Clegane]

No i didn't refer to the SA photoshop Gorebag posted, but the refusal of the danish newspaper to publish the holocaust charicatures.

Thanks for the clarification

[Meneldil]

No i didn't refer to the SA photoshop Gorebag posted, but the refusal of the danish newspaper to publish the holocaust charicatures.

I lost my faith in freedom of speech. The Muhammed cartoons were offensive, tasteless, and stereotyped yet the Jyllands-Posten newspaper published them, so why not go on and publish the hamshari newspaper cartoons? They know full well these cartoons are tasteless and stupid, but they didn't publish them, where is the freedom of speech in that?

Because, as it has already been stated, there's quite a difference between making fun of a so called prophet that died a while ago and killed thousands of people, and making fun of people who were tortured and slaughtered in a really horrible way and in an industrial scale 60 years ago.

So yeah, that's about it. Although I see your point, I don't really want these pics to be published in a french newspaper (furthermore, as already stated, it would hardly happen) if they're as offensive and as silly as I expect them to be (and given the statement of the guy who proposed the 'make your own funny pic of the Holocaust' contest, I expect something of really bad taste).
Now, if they started to make pics of Jesus or Moses eating a baby, or a pic of Chirac sending nukes on Iran, I couldn't care less, and wouldn't have a problem if these pics were released to the public.

[Proletariat]

Exactly, French Frie.