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The Intelligence Summit
January 6, 2006
John Loftus
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
SADDAM'S PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL WEAPONS OF
MASS DESTRUCTION TAPES TO BE UNVEILED
AT THE INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT
A former military intelligence analyst, who currently works as a civilian contractor, believes he has found a cache of extremely confidential--and very shocking--audio recordings of Saddam Hussein's office meetings. The audiotapes, which had apparently been overlooked, were found in a warehouse along with many other untranslated Iraqi intelligence files. These tapes are extremely significant, since they may be the best evidence yet of Saddam's secret intentions concerning weapons of mass destruction.
Before 9/11, many intelligence experts were convinced that a very strong and important Iraqi WMD connection existed, only to change their minds when no concrete evidence of that connection could be uncovered in the three years following the beginning of Iraqi war.
Because of the considerable historical importance of this stunning recent development, the contractor who obtained and reviewed these tapes plans to release them to the public on February 17, 2006 at the Intelligence Summitsm, a non-partisan, non-profit conference open to the public, scheduled to be held at the Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington, Virginia that weekend.
After his presentation, a panel of intelligence experts will discuss the ways in which experts may verify the fact that Hussein in fact recorded these audiotapes. These procedures include utilization of voiceprint analysis and other technical means of voice verification.
The Intelligence Summitsm, now in its second year, has been of particular interest to Intelligence and law enforcement officials, college and university professors and other staffers concerned with Intelligence issues, as well as non-profit organizations involved in funding Intelligence research and/or other anti-terrorism efforts.
In regard to these highly confidential audiotapes, Attorney John Loftus, President of the Intelligence Summitsm, recently stated that, "Saddam's secret office recordings continued well into the year 2000. In all, they contain at least 12 hours of totally candid discussions with his senior aides. Clearly, after these tapes have been verified and corroborated, they will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important-and controversial-weapons of mass destruction questions." Loftus went on to say that the contractor who found and recovered the tapes has requested that his identity remain anonymous until he makes his presentation.
The International Intelligence Summitsm is a non-partisan, non-profit, neutral organization that utilizes charitable funds to hold a conference that serves as a forum where personnel from Intelligence agencies throughout the free world and emerging democracies may gather to meet and exchange information about their experiences, expertise and ideas. In this way, the Intelligence Summitsm provides a unique opportunity for the Intelligence Community to listen and learn from each other so that they may share their resources to strengthen the war against terrorism.
John Loftus, who formerly served as a Federal Prosecutor, currently works as an intelligence consultant for various television networks. He has also authored four books, one of which was a Pulitzer Prize nominee. Loftus' "60 Minutes" interview won an Emmy award for TV journalist Mike Wallace.
The Intelligence Summit's International Advisory Council includes two former CIA directors, several generals, a senior officer of the Mossad and the former Chair of the British Joint Intelligence Committee. In addition, this year's list of Intelligence Summitsm presenters includes many top Intelligence, espionage, counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence leaders who work for a wide variety of agencies throughout the free world.
In light of the number, variety and experience and expertise of this year's presenters, many observers have commented that The Intelligence Summitsm may well be the most prestigious conference in the world on international studies concerning intelligence policy-making, terrorism and homeland security.
Further information about The Intelligence Summitsm may be found on its website: www.IntelligenceSummit.org.
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As a former intelligence officer & Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. The Loftus Report is heard by four million listeners every weeknight from 10:30 to 11 PM on ABC National Radio's John Batchelor Show. Mr. Loftus is also President of the Intelligence Summitsm, an international non-profit non-partisan educational forum for the intelligence agencies of the free world and Vice Chairman of the Florida Holocaust Museum.
I cant wait to hear whats on these.The Intelligence Summit
January 6, 2006
John Loftus
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
SADDAM'S PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL WEAPONS OF
MASS DESTRUCTION TAPES TO BE UNVEILED
AT THE INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT
A former military intelligence analyst, who currently works as a civilian contractor, believes he has found a cache of extremely confidential--and very shocking--audio recordings of Saddam Hussein's office meetings. The audiotapes, which had apparently been overlooked, were found in a warehouse along with many other untranslated Iraqi intelligence files. These tapes are extremely significant, since they may be the best evidence yet of Saddam's secret intentions concerning weapons of mass destruction.
Before 9/11, many intelligence experts were convinced that a very strong and important Iraqi WMD connection existed, only to change their minds when no concrete evidence of that connection could be uncovered in the three years following the beginning of Iraqi war.
Because of the considerable historical importance of this stunning recent development, the contractor who obtained and reviewed these tapes plans to release them to the public on February 17, 2006 at the Intelligence Summitsm, a non-partisan, non-profit conference open to the public, scheduled to be held at the Hyatt Regency Crystal City Hotel in Arlington, Virginia that weekend.
After his presentation, a panel of intelligence experts will discuss the ways in which experts may verify the fact that Hussein in fact recorded these audiotapes. These procedures include utilization of voiceprint analysis and other technical means of voice verification.
The Intelligence Summitsm, now in its second year, has been of particular interest to Intelligence and law enforcement officials, college and university professors and other staffers concerned with Intelligence issues, as well as non-profit organizations involved in funding Intelligence research and/or other anti-terrorism efforts.
In regard to these highly confidential audiotapes, Attorney John Loftus, President of the Intelligence Summitsm, recently stated that, "Saddam's secret office recordings continued well into the year 2000. In all, they contain at least 12 hours of totally candid discussions with his senior aides. Clearly, after these tapes have been verified and corroborated, they will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important-and controversial-weapons of mass destruction questions." Loftus went on to say that the contractor who found and recovered the tapes has requested that his identity remain anonymous until he makes his presentation.
The International Intelligence Summitsm is a non-partisan, non-profit, neutral organization that utilizes charitable funds to hold a conference that serves as a forum where personnel from Intelligence agencies throughout the free world and emerging democracies may gather to meet and exchange information about their experiences, expertise and ideas. In this way, the Intelligence Summitsm provides a unique opportunity for the Intelligence Community to listen and learn from each other so that they may share their resources to strengthen the war against terrorism.
John Loftus, who formerly served as a Federal Prosecutor, currently works as an intelligence consultant for various television networks. He has also authored four books, one of which was a Pulitzer Prize nominee. Loftus' "60 Minutes" interview won an Emmy award for TV journalist Mike Wallace.
The Intelligence Summit's International Advisory Council includes two former CIA directors, several generals, a senior officer of the Mossad and the former Chair of the British Joint Intelligence Committee. In addition, this year's list of Intelligence Summitsm presenters includes many top Intelligence, espionage, counter-terrorism and counter-intelligence leaders who work for a wide variety of agencies throughout the free world.
In light of the number, variety and experience and expertise of this year's presenters, many observers have commented that The Intelligence Summitsm may well be the most prestigious conference in the world on international studies concerning intelligence policy-making, terrorism and homeland security.
Further information about The Intelligence Summitsm may be found on its website: www.IntelligenceSummit.org.
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As a former intelligence officer & Justice Department prosecutor, John Loftus once held some of the highest security clearances in the world, with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword, and Top Secret Nuclear files. As a private attorney, he works without charge to help hundreds of intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the hidden secrets of our times. He is the author of four history books, three of which have been made into films, two were international best sellers, and one was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. The Loftus Report is heard by four million listeners every weeknight from 10:30 to 11 PM on ABC National Radio's John Batchelor Show. Mr. Loftus is also President of the Intelligence Summitsm, an international non-profit non-partisan educational forum for the intelligence agencies of the free world and Vice Chairman of the Florida Holocaust Museum.
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny:
Well this should be interesting
I cant wait to hear whats on these.
A former intelligence officer.. claims to have found tapes.. exciting... Well this should be interesting
I cant wait to hear whats on these.
P.S. Anything on Hoffa yet?
There going to be verified. If their not real it will come out.
Oh. How exciting.
...does anyone really even care anymore ? I'm willing to bet most of it consists of the participants shooting their mouths and telling the Arabic versions of the sorts of bad jokes that now tend to fly back and forth between underlings and overlings.
Originally Posted by Watchman:
Oh. How exciting.
...does anyone really even care anymore ?
the amount of idiots with cute bumper stickers that read "nobody died when Clinton lied" suggest that people do. Oh. How exciting.
...does anyone really even care anymore ?
"Intentions"??!? Is that it? He's not allowed to say he'd possibly like some (and let's not forget there are loads of other countries doing a hell of a lot more than thinking wistfully they'd like some).
If they are genuine it'd better a lot better than what it seems in the first report.
If they are genuine it'd better a lot better than what it seems in the first report.
So a guy who's STILL chasing the WMD argument got some tapes from one guy who got the tapes from another guy... He knows what's on the tapes, stating that they "will be able to provide a few definitive answers to some very important - and controversial - weapons of mass destruction questions." yet at the same time:
"Mr. Hoekstra said he is not yet prepared to say President Bush was premature in calling off the hunt for the weapons last year, but conceded that his inquiries may lead him to that conclusion if some of the leads offered to his committee check out. He also said the White House has been supportive of his inquiry."
I'm curious too, but I suspect that this is Hoekstra making a mountain out of a molehill in hopes of attracting attention to his own personal cause, Iraq's supposed WMD.
"Mr. Hoekstra said he is not yet prepared to say President Bush was premature in calling off the hunt for the weapons last year, but conceded that his inquiries may lead him to that conclusion if some of the leads offered to his committee check out. He also said the White House has been supportive of his inquiry."
I'm curious too, but I suspect that this is Hoekstra making a mountain out of a molehill in hopes of attracting attention to his own personal cause, Iraq's supposed WMD.
Originally Posted by Watchman:
Oh. How exciting.
...does anyone really even care anymore ?
Classic. Oh. How exciting.
...does anyone really even care anymore ?
Well, the issue is way past its sell-by date.
This won't have much more impact than a fart in church.
The WMD issue is no longer current. There are no WMDs and haven't been for years. Bush either knowingly lied in order to foment conflict with Saddam's Iraq or his administration was near criminally negligent in evaluating the data that led him to pull the trigger.
Either case indicates that the war against Iraq was begun on false pretenses and that the thousands of Iraqi deaths, thousands of coalition deaths, and the inevitable civil war that will begin in earnest 20 minutes after the coalition pulls out -- with its 10's of thousands of deaths -- can be laid at the feet of Cheney, Bush and the other neocons.
The verdict of history has already been made.
!NOT!
In other words, Gawain, too much time has elapsed and too many viewpoints have crystalized on this subject. While some of the thinking libs -- AdrianII for one example -- will wait until the data has been released, evaluated, and then add it into the hopper, most won't bother. Anything short of a Hans Blix source (any coalition source is too tainted and the assumption would be that it was a fix) opening up a LARGE desert cache of nerve toxin or Saddam buying his life by revealing such caches won't be credited. You and I might care, but ....
The WMD issue is no longer current. There are no WMDs and haven't been for years. Bush either knowingly lied in order to foment conflict with Saddam's Iraq or his administration was near criminally negligent in evaluating the data that led him to pull the trigger.
Either case indicates that the war against Iraq was begun on false pretenses and that the thousands of Iraqi deaths, thousands of coalition deaths, and the inevitable civil war that will begin in earnest 20 minutes after the coalition pulls out -- with its 10's of thousands of deaths -- can be laid at the feet of Cheney, Bush and the other neocons.
The verdict of history has already been made.
!NOT!
In other words, Gawain, too much time has elapsed and too many viewpoints have crystalized on this subject. While some of the thinking libs -- AdrianII for one example -- will wait until the data has been released, evaluated, and then add it into the hopper, most won't bother. Anything short of a Hans Blix source (any coalition source is too tainted and the assumption would be that it was a fix) opening up a LARGE desert cache of nerve toxin or Saddam buying his life by revealing such caches won't be credited. You and I might care, but ....
Originally Posted by Watchman:
Well, the issue is way past its sell-by date.
Please tell that to those people with the stickers, I drive up close to read their bumpers and it's the same old stickers, BUY some new stickers!!! If I'm going to risk causing an accident then I at least want a chuckle at a new sticker. Well, the issue is way past its sell-by date.
You filthy American partisan politics are no concern of mine. 
Now shoo, I'm going to sip some red wine to go with good cheese while listening Vivaldi. 
Now shoo, I'm going to sip some red wine to go with good cheese while listening Vivaldi. Secret, candid tapes of Saddam and his aides discussing WMD.
All these tapes will prove is that Saddam wanted WMDs (no surprise there). They will not prove that he actually had them. The common opinion these days is that his aides lied to him about the progress on his weapons. If this is the case, the tapes will prove nothing except desire.
All these tapes will prove is that Saddam wanted WMDs (no surprise there). They will not prove that he actually had them. The common opinion these days is that his aides lied to him about the progress on his weapons. If this is the case, the tapes will prove nothing except desire.
if there is 12 hours worth then besides WMDs is there any chance that the name Al Queda, or Taliban, or World Trade Center, cause then you've got peoples attention.
"...continue well into the year 2000", so you can pretty much forget about WTC.
Wasnt the first one before 2000?
Does someone actually still remember that one ? I for one don't, unless reminded.
It kinda bombed, after all.
It kinda bombed, after all.
**jumps out of the path of stampeding Saddam apologists rushing to his defense on this thread**
Boy, that was close.
Boy, that was close.
Intelligence Summitsm, an international non-profit non-partisan educational forum for the intelligence agencies of the free world
How nice , a completely neutral charitable organisation sponsored by arms dealers and suppliers of mercenaries worldwide .
A former military intelligence analyst, who currently works as a civilian contractor, believes he has found a cache of extremely confidential--and very shocking--audio recordings of Saddam Hussein's office meetings.
If they are so shocking and confidential then why the hell didn't he hand them over to his government or to the international bodies that have been looking for things like this for years ?
Hey actually , as he took these tapes from a warehouse , doesn't that mean that he is a thief , arrest the bugger .
How nice , a completely neutral charitable organisation sponsored by arms dealers and suppliers of mercenaries worldwide .
A former military intelligence analyst, who currently works as a civilian contractor, believes he has found a cache of extremely confidential--and very shocking--audio recordings of Saddam Hussein's office meetings.
If they are so shocking and confidential then why the hell didn't he hand them over to his government or to the international bodies that have been looking for things like this for years ?
Hey actually , as he took these tapes from a warehouse , doesn't that mean that he is a thief , arrest the bugger .
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
**jumps out of the path of stampeding Saddam apologists rushing to his defense on this thread**
Boy, that was close.
**jumps out of the path of stampeding Saddam apologists rushing to his defense on this thread**
Boy, that was close.
I find it odd the tapes haven't already been seized by US forces there, and the contractor is allowed to hold onto them despite them being evidence.
Originally Posted by Devastatin Dave:
**jumps out of the path of stampeding Saddam apologists rushing to his defense on this thread**
Boy, that was close.
Whip out your shovel and start digging for nukes, Dave, for you are the only man alive who believes the President's drivel about Iraqi WMD. **jumps out of the path of stampeding Saddam apologists rushing to his defense on this thread**
Boy, that was close.
Heck, not even George Bush believes George Bush anymore.
Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump:
I find it odd the tapes haven't already been seized by US forces there, and the contractor is allowed to hold onto them despite them being evidence.
Well, who got there first when that UFO dropped them? I find it odd the tapes haven't already been seized by US forces there, and the contractor is allowed to hold onto them despite them being evidence.
Originally Posted by AdrianII:
Whip out your shovel and start digging for nukes, Dave, for you are the only man alive who believes the President's drivel about Iraqi WMD.
Heck, not even George Bush believes George Bush anymore.
Tell that to these guys...Whip out your shovel and start digging for nukes, Dave, for you are the only man alive who believes the President's drivel about Iraqi WMD.
Heck, not even George Bush believes George Bush anymore.
http://www.intelmessages.org/images/Kurds01.jpg
http://www.democraticunderground.com...8_gassing2.jpg
Sigh. Dave, "used to have before" and "still had" are two quite different things.
Tell that to these guys...
Are those photos by any chance the incident where the good old freedom loving US supplied the intel and Sat. images for the targetting ?
Or do you prefer to try and forget that Saddam was your buddy when he was using WMDs .
Are those photos by any chance the incident where the good old freedom loving US supplied the intel and Sat. images for the targetting ?
Or do you prefer to try and forget that Saddam was your buddy when he was using WMDs .
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Or do you prefer to try and forget that Saddam was your buddy when he was using WMDs .
"Buddy" is, I assume, an exageration for humorous purposes? Saddam was seen as a counterweight to Iran, yes, but its pretty clear that was about interests and not affection.Or do you prefer to try and forget that Saddam was your buddy when he was using WMDs .
As been mentioned, even Bush has admitted that he was wrong on the WMD "intel". I bet my money on it though, that in the event that WMDs are uncovered after all, it won't stop him or Bliar from saying "told ya so".
Prior to the invasion we had "we'll give you a smoking gun in a few weeks time" and from there it went to "we know where the WMD are, but we can't tell you right now because we'd risk our intelligence" and after the invasion it suddenly had turned into "well we can't find them right now, please be patient"
And long after that, we had neocons making excuses that the war was justified even without the WMD argument while simultaniously claiming that Saddam shipped his weapons to Syria, or possibly sold them on Ebay.
Personally I think that Bush, Bliar and the bunch were convinced that Saddam had WMD but could produce not evidence of it, but were confident that they would turn up after the war and justify the whole effort.
Prior to the invasion we had "we'll give you a smoking gun in a few weeks time" and from there it went to "we know where the WMD are, but we can't tell you right now because we'd risk our intelligence" and after the invasion it suddenly had turned into "well we can't find them right now, please be patient"
And long after that, we had neocons making excuses that the war was justified even without the WMD argument while simultaniously claiming that Saddam shipped his weapons to Syria, or possibly sold them on Ebay.
Personally I think that Bush, Bliar and the bunch were convinced that Saddam had WMD but could produce not evidence of it, but were confident that they would turn up after the war and justify the whole effort.
But the difficulty is when countries one moment are quietly undertaking realpolitik with the enemy's enemy is my friend, to then after the threat is taken away to apparenty say "look! There's this complete bastard in Iraq - let's get him!" And evidence to state that other countries propped him up, trained and armed him at this point are of course tasteless and unpatriotic.
One or the other please. Both is just too cynical.
One or the other please. Both is just too cynical.
"Buddy" is, I assume, an exageration for humorous purposes?
No it is a reminder to dave that he should try and look at reality before he posts rubbish .
In that case not only were they supplying targeting information to good old Saddam , they tried to blame the Iranians for the gassing of the Kurds .
Soooo......
Tell that to these guys...
http://www.intelmessages.org/images/Kurds01.jpg
http://www.democraticunderground.com...8_gassing2.jpg
No it is a reminder to dave that he should try and look at reality before he posts rubbish .
In that case not only were they supplying targeting information to good old Saddam , they tried to blame the Iranians for the gassing of the Kurds .
Soooo......
Tell that to these guys...
http://www.intelmessages.org/images/Kurds01.jpg
http://www.democraticunderground.com...8_gassing2.jpg
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
"Buddy" is, I assume, an exageration for humorous purposes?
"Buddy" is, I assume, an exageration for humorous purposes?
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