Worst. Commander. Ever. (or: How to beat third STW tutorial)

**econ21** · 02-11-2006, 14:05

Originally Posted by Cowhead418

IIRC, the unit you face is a Yari Ashigaru, right?

No, they are Yari Samurai. It is not an easy tutorial. I think part of the point of it is to show you that those archers are still Samurai and are pretty decent with their swords. With a few minor advantages - charging downhill, enemy morale lowered by missile losses/tiredness etc - they can take on YS and win. The tutorial also vividly shows you the impact of bad weather on archery.

But I agree with Ludens, I tend to pull the archers back, further up the hill. Then shoot, charge and pray. Hadn't thought about the thin formation but it sounds like a good idea.

**Cowhead418** · 02-15-2006, 03:19

Originally Posted by Simon Appleton

No, they are Yari Samurai. It is not an easy tutorial. I think part of the point of it is to show you that those archers are still Samurai and are pretty decent with their swords. With a few minor advantages - charging downhill, enemy morale lowered by missile losses/tiredness etc - they can take on YS and win. The tutorial also vividly shows you the impact of bad weather on archery.

But I agree with Ludens, I tend to pull the archers back, further up the hill. Then shoot, charge and pray. Hadn't thought about the thin formation but it sounds like a good idea.

Yes, my mistake. I just played the tutorial again and lost. I hadn't noticed that it was supposed to be difficult because the first time I played it I won pretty handily. It seems that luck plays a large factor.

**Crian** · 02-20-2006, 15:42

I had a little trouble with this one too... I think it was the 3rd try when I won.

March the archers up a little higher, spread them in a thin line, then when the Yari are close enough, close up on a wedge then charge. After that it was all luck. That's how I remember it.

**doc_bean** · 02-20-2006, 20:15

I've never beaten it

I didn't try often though, I just wanted to know what Shogun looked and felt like compared to MTW...

**BelgradeWar** · 02-20-2006, 23:23

I do recall STW tutorial being rather tough at moments. Plus the battlefield was something completely new to me, so it was bad...but not as nearly as the campaign...I hated the campaign...until I got warrior monks...now that was something...

**matteus the inbred** · 02-21-2006, 11:39

Originally Posted by BelgradeWar

I do recall STW tutorial being rather tough at moments. Plus the battlefield was something completely new to me, so it was bad...but not as nearly as the campaign...I hated the campaign...until I got warrior monks...now that was something...

the big pointy mincing machine of Japanese warfare...worth the wait.

the secret to that tutorial is, if at first you don't succeed, skip it and play a campaign. tutorials can be surprisingly tricky cos they put you in a situation you're rarely going to get caught in yourself.
like the MTW siege tutorial, where it puts all your catapults within arrow range of the castle...

**swolff** · 03-14-2006, 12:44

Sorry for bumping an old thread. Just wanted to say thanks for all the suggestions. All of a sudden I found myself able to beat the tutorial battle in first go, making me think that luck plays some role.

By pulling a bit further up the hill, then fanning out into a one-man-thick line to rain arrows on my opponent, and subsequently ordering my archers to grab their swords and charge, I finally succeded. Thanks all!

/Stefan