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    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    I'm not PC I just don't sse a reason to use words that insult people for fun. Seems to me the only reason Satan is cool is because he is outcast and looked down on.
    Ah, but insult people is fun. Unfortunately. Your second point is really irrelevant because, as I've stated, others might see him differently. I saw that one pic of Satan represented in the wikipedia article for Milton's Paradise Lost and I thought, "damn, this looks absolutely cool! What a badass of a general!"

    Also, offense has its purpose. Have you ever heard of the term Juvenalian Satire?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    Sorry, you lost me with the whole "what you can see." Yes Satan is God's testing agent but it seems to me Satanists ignore that as well. I did reference Job above, actually. Satan rebelled against God, so we are told, and was cast down. Milton's Paradise Lost is an elaboration of the Bible, which is a bit spartan on details. My point stands.
    Satanism is really varied. Some are truly misguided in their basic premises, some others interpret Satan the Milton way, a few just didn't even really believed in Satan. Just took the word's popular historical interpretation as their idol. Even the Bible contradicts the concept of Satan. And surely, other religions have their "Satan" equivalents, whether in purpose (God's inspector, or just Evil Master), looks (Satyrs), etc., no? You can't simply judge them in one premise, which is basically my point here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    You're wrong about Loki, he was not Odin's brother. His parents were the giants Farbauti and Laufey. The idea that he was Thor's or Odin's brother was, I believe, a late attempt to reintegrate him. He was however a companion of both Odin and Thor during their travels.
    I would require sources for this, then, since others disagree with you on his position in the Norse mythology. I couldn't find myself a conclusive source.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    If it offends my concience then its bad, at the extreme end of the scale, with baby eating etc. is evil.
    Then you are an absolutist in your moral point of view. I don't want this to turn into a debate about morals and their sources and relevance, since it would be a new, huge angle. Let's say many are relativist, or at least, partially.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wigferth Ironwall
    Non-conformity is a joke. All the Goths around at the moment think they are non-conformists, what they've missed is that they're just conforming along with everyone else. Want to be a real non-conformist? Become a Librarian.
    Goths...ha! The girls are hot, but the guys look stupid. But hey, teenagers...

    I'm not a noncomformist myself, though a teenager for sure, and think many are quite a little, shall I say, vain, but that doesn't mean I'm right and they're stupid. Our argument here, thus, really have no base. You and I share at least a certain degree of dismissal at popular noncomformism among the young -- the rebellious spirit that would die out -- which is an oxymoron but true.
    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Ubercool.


    *prepares himself for the Saturday Night round of Ghost in the Shell and Fullmetal Alchemist*

    But many others disagree, and consider us Japanophiles geeky. That's a point relevant to the debate in its demonstration that "cool" is highly relative.
    Last edited by AntiochusIII; 02-19-2006 at 07:20.

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