Islamic Law comming to a European Nation near you.

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.islamonline.org/English/N...rticle04.shtml
Well, what do you guys think? I see this as one step closer to Eurabia. What's your opinion?

[Sjakihata]

Nothing new. Denmark also has a paragraph (§) about blasphemy and a racism paragraph. people have been convicted for both. that's why it is not called unlimited freedom of speech, but freedom of speech within the framework of the legislation. You are simply not allowed to say _whatever_ you want, I believe the same is true in USA, for example insulting the president or threating anyone. Illegal - does it conflict with FoS, I do not think so.

[Fragony]

I see this as one step closer to Eurabia. What's your opinion?

Exactly that.

[LeftEyeNine]

I have come up with the question right now : Being Europeans or Americans or Canadian etc. do you think unawareness of Islam in your societies before 9/11 disaster has any contribution into this "booming , flashing and burning" relations between ? Or am I wrong about the unawareness part ?

[Ser Clegane]

Nothing new. Denmark also has a paragraph (§) about blasphemy and a racism paragraph. people have been convicted for both. that's why it is not called unlimited freedom of speech, but freedom of speech within the framework of the legislation. You are simply not allowed to say _whatever_ you want, I believe the same is true in USA, for example insulting the president or threating anyone. Illegal - does it conflict with FoS, I do not think so.

Same here in Germany - the laws existed for a long time and ahev nothing to do with "Eurabia" or Islam

[Fragony]

Or am I wrong about the unawareness part ?

Yup. Untill 9/11 those that now so religiously defend 'freedom of speech' would prosecute you for saying anything bad about islamic culture and immigration in general.

[Devastatin Dave]

I have come up with the question right now : Being Europeans or Americans or Canadian etc. do you think unawareness of Islam in your societies before 9/11 disaster has any contribution into this "booming , flashing and burning" relations between ? Or am I wrong about the unawareness part ?

Not really. Looking at the recent history of "Islamic" terrorism (please don't take offense, because i know that this is done by ass holes and not people of true faith, disclaimer ended) many took notice of the booming, flashing, and burning long before 911. Look, again no offense, but Islam and Western society has many differences. And at that point so does many other Faiths with Western thought, but their is indeed a larger gap between Islam and the West.
I don't like this law. I think its the endorcement of a religion which a secular society, such as most European countries, should not do. With the European lack of testicular fortitude, it will be only a matter time before radical elements of Islam will gain a strong footing within the European theater.

[Adrian II]

Nothing new.

What is relevent is that Norway had an old law from the 1930's that outlawed blasphemy, but was never used since the war. This is a clear signal that criticising, let alone ridiculing a religion in Norwaywill be very difficult from now on. Worldly convictions such as mine may of course be ridiculed, as always. Obviously this law only protects superst... religious sensitivities.

Shame on Norway's parliament.

[Fragony]

Worldly convictions such as mine may of course be ridiculed, as always. Obviously this law only protects superst... religious sensitivities.

Wow AdrianII, you are catching up on this game pretty fast, now can I as an anti-immigration barbarian please feel sorry for myselve?

[Adrian II]

Wow AdrianII, you are catching up on this game pretty fast, now can I as an anti-immigration barbarian please feel sorry for myselve?

No, because you hate immigrants and promote irrational views bordering on fascism. That is inexcusable. Wash your mouth, put on a decent shirt with no racist slogans on it, and we may do business if you keep behaving.

Thought so..

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

What is relevent is that Norway had an old law from the 1930's that outlawed blasphemy, but was never used since the war. This is a clear signal that criticising, let alone ridiculing a religion in Norwaywill be very difficult from now on. Worldly convictions such as mine may of course be ridiculed, as always. Obviously this law only protects superst... religious sensitivities.

Shame on Norway's parliament.

Adrian, do you reckon that will apply to valid criticism too?
Like the association of "honour killings" with Islamic immigrant groups; rampant homophia within said groups; calls for destruction of western society by elements within these groups etc.?

[Navaros]

Nice to see censorship being done for a productive reason this time. As opposed to censoring thoughts about "homosexuality" - which is usually the case when censorship comes up - at least this time the censorship is for a good cause. For that reason for the sake of providing some balance to the censorship madness which has already been happening elsewhere, I say thumbs up to this new censorship.

[Byzantine Prince]

You guys shouldn't worry about the western countries, and the (atheist) europeans living in them. You should worry about the muslims. Eventually things will go out of hand and these people will suffer the consequances, such deportation. Oil will run out in the middle east and these people will be have to go back to even more poverty.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The law is fine in theory but this bothers me:

and clearly prohibits despising others or lampooning religions in any form of expression, including the use of photographs

There is nothing wrong with a little general mocking. Under this law Dave Allen would have spent much of his adult life in jail. (He was an Irish Comic who made a lot of fun of the Catholic Church, very funny too)

[Fragony]

No, because you hate immigrants and promote irrational views bordering on fascism. That is inexcusable. Wash your mouth, put on a decent shirt with no racist slogans on it, and we may do business if you keep behaving.

Thought so..

If it is inexcusable they should stop giving me excuses. I don't hate them mind you, I hate the politicians that screw everything up because they feel that good intentions are a quality of it's own. I am a child of the seventies mia muca.

[Adrian II]

Adrian, do you reckon that will apply to valid criticism too?
Like the association of "honour killings" with Islamic immigrant groups; rampant homophia within said groups; calls for destruction of western society by elements within these groups etc.?

The future will tell. I don't think calls for terrorism, honour killings or violence against homosexuals will be judged more lightly in Norway. On the other hand, I do think it will become more difficult to address the endemic homophobia and misoginy in much of Islam (and in Catholicism and other religions which are also protected by this law).

I think we need to file Socialism as a religion from now on. The moment some imam or bishop says anything 'offensive' about Karl Marx or Proudhon, slam!

[Adrian II]

Under this law Dave Allen would have spent much of his adult life in jail. (He was an Irish Comic who made a lot of fun of the Catholic Church, very funny too)

Well, there you have it. 'Oh, but this is nothing new!' they say. You bet it is. It is not the end of free speech, not by a long stretch. It is not even the beginning of the end of free speech. But it is the beginning of a tenacious and at times very tedious and irritating rearguard fight. The first victims of this trend are independent Muslims, ex-Muslims, half-Muslims and 'cultural Muslims' in Europe, some of whom have fled the theocratic hell-holes of the Islamic world only to see the same fanatic idiots popping up on their doorstep in Berlin, London or Verona. I know a few of them. They have a good mind to set fire to mosques, I tell you. Which they won't do, because they are civilised (and because they are my friends for a reason, haha).

[rory_20_uk]

Not the proper Islam?? Why label the followers who are violent as "not proper" Muslims? The Quran preaches many times that unbelievers should die and that True Muslims are should not even talk to them! Far more focuses on killing than it does on being nice to small animals for example.

What about "not PC Islam" or "not modern Islam", or "Islam as we wished it was"?

There apears to be no "new testament" in the new bible to explain away the other parts. The Quran tell Muslims straight from God's mouth that killing carte blanche is allowed.

[Idaho]

Not the proper Islam?? Why label the followers who are violent as "not proper" Muslims? The Quran preaches many times that unbelievers should die and that True Muslims are should not even talk to them!

Source please.

Al this stuff is just small but vocal religious groups (muzzas and xtos), political extremists (fascists and xenophobes) and the media getting together for a big circle jerk.

The rest of us just get on with our lives.

[Duke Malcolm]

Ach, I must muster my merry band of men to make our opposition to this apology clear... Freedom of Speech! Freedom of Speech!

Source please.

Al this stuff is just small but vocal religious groups (muzzas and xtos), political extremists (fascists and xenophobes) and the media getting together for a big circle jerk.

Linky I recommend clicking on "Intolerance"

[Fragony]

Source please.

The quran.

[Idaho]

Ach, I must muster my merry band of men to make our opposition to this apology clear... Freedom of Speech! Freedom of Speech!



Linky I recommend clicking on "Intolerance"

Good source that. Nice one.

Pretty much sticks it to all the books.

Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

[master of the puppets]

so do you think norway will be the first islamic europeans? or are you just gonna let in the turks.
any way i need to ask is there a single muslim country out there that does have free speech?
mabey norway should do to the muslims what China did. nice chinese muslims, quite oppressed, never bother anyone...

[Idaho]

More Absurdities from the Bible

Koranic absurdities

[Devastatin Dave]

My point was that this sort of law does not help the Muslim immagrants assimulate into thier new countries, it only segregates them more. I believe this will only assist the more radical elements of Islam be shielded from criticism and survalience. All over cartoons, amazing.

[Goofball]

Laws banning blasphemy are about the stupidest things I could possibly think of (and I think of a lot of stupid things), so I say the following in protest of any of these proposed or existing laws:

Jesus was a wimp, Mohammed was a diddler, Buddha was a fat bastard, Confuscious didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and Yahweh is a mean, spiteful old bugger.

And one other thing: if Muslims want us to be more sympathetic to their feelings, maybe they should stop referring to the rest of the world as "infidels."

[Sjakihata]

Jesus was a wimp, Mohammed was a diddler, Buddha was a fat bastard, Confuscious didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and Yahweh is a mean, spiteful old bugger.

This is not blasphemy, in the sense that you would be convicted for it.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

What a ridiculous law. Aside from the freedom of speech issue, how can you ban blasphemy in general? I'm fairly sure that most religions believe things that other religions find blasphemous. Are we going to find Christians prosecuted for blasphemy against Islam by preaching that Jesus was the son of God, or vice versa?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

About the Koran, there's a special exemption for Christians and Jews, we're not Infidels because we worship Allah.

[Goofball]

This is not blasphemy, in the sense that you would be convicted for it.

Perhaps not convicted, but if I hung that on a sign in the front of my house it would probably be enough to eventually get me murdered...