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    Senior Member Senior Member Reenk Roink's Avatar
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    While browsing Pew's Global Attitude site for an unrelated topic, I stumbled upon this:



    Very long explanation, so I spoiled it and put up a chart for you visual people:

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    Religion is much more important to Americans than to people living in other wealthy nations. Six-in-ten (59%) people in the U.S. say religion plays a very important role in their lives. This is roughly twice the percentage of self-avowed religious people in Canada (30%), and an even higher proportion when compared with Japan and Western Europe. Americans' views are closer to people in developing nations than to the publics of developed nations.

    The 44-nation survey of the Pew Global Attitudes Project shows stark global regional divides over the personal importance of religion.[1] In Africa, no fewer than eight-in-ten in any country see religion as very important personally. Majorities in every Latin American country also subscribe to that view, with the exception of Argentina. More than nine-in-ten respondents in the predominantly Muslim nations of Indonesia, Pakistan, Mali and Senegal rate religion as personally very important. In Turkey and Uzbekistan, however, people are more divided over religion's importance.

    Secularism is particularly prevalent throughout Europe. Even in heavily Catholic Italy fewer than three-in-ten (27%) people say religion is very important personally, a lack of intensity in belief that is consistent with opinion in other Western European nations. Attitudes are comparable in former Soviet bloc countries. In the Czech Republic, fully 71% say religion has little or no importance in their lives – more than any nation surveyed – while barely one-in-ten (11%) say it is very important. And in Poland, the birthplace of the Pope and where the Catholic Church played a pivotal role during the communist era, just 36% say religion is very important.

    The Global Attitudes study correlated views on religion with annual per capita income and found that wealthier nations tend to place less importance on religion – with the exception of the United States. This is seen most clearly in Asia, where publics in the two wealthiest nations surveyed – Japan and South Korea – are far less likely to cite religion as personally important than those in poorer nations of the region. The lone exception is Vietnam, however, where just 24% of the public view religion as very important. (Questions on the personal importance of religion were not permitted in China, and were deemed too sensitive to ask in Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon.)

    This poll is part of the Pew Global Attitudes Project. The project's first major report, "What the World Thinks in 2002," focusing on how people view their lives, their countries and the world, was released Dec. 4, 2002 and is available online at www.people-press.org.

    "The Pew Global Attitudes Project," is a series of worldwide public-opinion surveys that will measure the impact of globalization, modernization, rapid technological and cultural change and the Sept. 11 terrorist events on the values and attitudes of more than 38,000 people in 44 countries worldwide. It will be conducted and released over the course of two years.

    The Project is chaired by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright. Andrew Kohut, director of The Pew Research Center For The People & The Press, is the project director. An international advisory board - consisting of regional experts, academics, activists, and business and government leaders and chaired by Sec. Albright - provides guidance in shaping the surveys. Team members include Bruce Stokes, a columnist at the National Journal; Mary McIntosh, vice-president of Princeton Survey Research Associates; and Elizabeth Mueller Gross and Nicole Speulda, of the Pew Research Center. The Global Attitudes Project is funded by The Pew Charitable Trusts, with a supplemental grant from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation.


    Here is a nice regression line:



    Remember, a maxim for statistics is "correlation does not imply causation, even between seemingly linear relationships." Also "beware of lurking variables."

    But still, it's interesting how the countries lined up...

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    Nobody thinks this is at all interesting?

    Hmph... And I spent 5-10 minutes compiling this data, formatting it, an posting it so that we could have a discussion on something except the Danish cartoons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
    Nobody thinks this is at all interesting?

    Hmph... And I spent 5-10 minutes compiling this data, formatting it, an posting it so that we could have a discussion on something except the Danish cartoons...
    Good post, but I am afraid is isn't exactly news to most people. I remember a long discussion about secularisation and modernity some six months ago, and this sort of staticstic material came up repeatedly. I am tempted to conclude that some religions are more suited to (or geared towards) modernisation than others, but don't ask me to prove that beyond reasonable doubt.
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    That was my reaction also: interest, but not surprise (except for Turkey, Uzbek and Pakistan being grouped under "Conflict Area", and the rest grouped by continent). And I wondered about the non-representation of Israel, Palestine, etc... until I followed your lead to Pew, and saw they had separate treatments for them.

    So the bottom line is (except for US) prosperity = declining interest in religion?
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    Since the US is where the European religious fanatics went to practice freely, this doesn't come as that much of a surprise. Old habits die hard....
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    Quote Originally Posted by drone
    the US is where the European religious fanatics went to practice freely
    Yep and good riddance.



    Edit: Good riddance to the fanatics, not to Drone, to be sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan
    That was my reaction also: interest, but not surprise (except for Turkey, Uzbek and Pakistan being grouped under "Conflict Area", and the rest grouped by continent). And I wondered about the non-representation of Israel, Palestine, etc... until I followed your lead to Pew, and saw they had separate treatments for them.

    So the bottom line is (except for US) prosperity = declining interest in religion?
    Pretty much sums it up for me, Kukrikhan.

    Why is Turkey considered a conflict area, surely other nations would have fit under that title better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KukriKhan

    So the bottom line is (except for US) prosperity = declining interest in religion?
    There seems to be a strong correlation, yes. You could also say more education = declining interest in religion.
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    For poor people, religion applies much more than to wealthier people. Same is for communism. (they don`t fit together, do they?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hurin_Rules
    There seems to be a strong correlation, yes. You could also say more education = declining interest in religion.
    I used to think so too, but here is another interesting find (a bit of a paradox):

    http://post.economics.harvard.edu/hier/2001papers/HIER1913.pdf#search='education%20religion%20correlation'
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