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    CA aren't the people you should be asking that. You should ask big huge games. They put an elephant with a culverin on it's back in RON:Thrones and patriots.
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    i'd like sharks with frickin' laser beams strapped to their heads...come on people, throw me a bone here.

    bit silly really. i presume this means a Moghul campaign or similar? Elephants were used to bring up siege guns during the Mahratta Wars, but that's well outside the medieval time period...
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    well the training for the noise is quite simple. Warhorses were tied to a post at a shooting range until the animal accepted gunshots as a part of everyday life.
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    I don't think anyone would think of putting a large cannon on the back of an elephant, however something the size of a one-pounder swivel gun or probably something smaller would have been feasible at the time. If you are talking about elephants pulling cannon then the elephants don't even need to be represented in the game, just the cannon.

    Didn't one of the MTW mods have the camel mounted guns, or was that just handgunners on camels?

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    no they defiantly say mounted
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    Now that's silly...what is it with CA and half-fantasy units?

    Putting cannons on elephants is just impossible. The first shot (providing that the animal could take the cannon, operator and a SINGLE shot) would be the last.

    The only animal that could have cannon mounted on top of her is a whale. But I think CA would keep that for Moby Dick Invasion expansion pack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieFriedNuts
    no they defiantly say mounted
    Operational or transport? It doesn't seem physically (!) impossible to use an elephant like a pack horse for small cannons/mortars (few hundred maybe 1,000+ lbs).
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    Really small mounted cannon, really little more than muskets too large to be used with just hands, were AFAIK tried at several points of hitory. None, AFAIK, were worth the trouble or too effective. Taking a light field piece, reducing the weight of the frame to a minimum, and adding a larger team of horses were generally a way better method for creating genuinely mobile firepower that could keep up with cavalry.

    I don't really know how much your average elephant can bear and what the requirements for frames would be, but I strongly suspect it is simply physically impossible to mount a cannon heavier than the really light close-support guns - type 2-pounder or something similarly puny - on a howdah without serious issues with weight and recoil. Mind you, especially if they're of the breech-loading variety and use something similar to grapeshot, those things aren't half bad antipersonnel weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TosaInu
    Operational or transport? It doesn't seem physically (!) impossible to use an elephant like a pack horse for small cannons/mortars (few hundred maybe 1,000+ lbs).
    Not so Impossible if the cannon is of small size , and if a Camel can do it why not an Elephant ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieFriedNuts
    no they defiantly say mounted
    I recall the preview as well (I think it said "cannons mounted on elephants"), but another article mentioned "cannons pulled by elephants", so I thinks it's just the reviewer at error here. Anybody remember the R:TW preview which said you would be able to fire burning pigs into enemy cities? IIRC it resulted in some hilarious dialogue in the Colloseum.

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    Elephants aside, I just thought of something interesting CA probably isn't going to even try putting in - the Hussite war wagons. We'll call you back, little pachyderms.

    Now those would be a whole different tactical nut to crack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfberg
    Didn't one of the MTW mods have the camel mounted guns, or was that just handgunners on camels?

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    Actually, camel guns were going to be in the original version of MTW- the CA original. They went as far as writing the text for the parchment description (which is still in the MTW files along with many other unused stuff including many buildings (like a wood harvester type thing IIRC) )

    So it wasnt a modder gone nuts, it was all a CA idea. If you have MTW you can look it up for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot
    Actually, camel guns were going to be in the original version of MTW- the CA original. They went as far as writing the text for the parchment description (which is still in the MTW files along with many other unused stuff including many buildings (like a wood harvester type thing IIRC) )

    So it wasnt a modder gone nuts, it was all a CA idea. If you have MTW you can look it up for yourself.
    I believe (although my sources are from other wargamers, as I am not really an afficianado of the period) that the Moghul and the Maratha used camel-mounted guns (the zamburak). This occurred well out of what we would consider the medieval period though - probably from the mid 16th C. onwards.

    The Moghuls also trained elephants to bear firearm-equipped marksmen; its amazing what animals will accept if you condition them well enough. >_>
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