Largest ARMED robbery in UK history?

[Devastatin Dave]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...213144,00.html
But i thought you guys outlawed handguns and now the UK is inhabited by hobbits living in Hobbiton with only the occasional ruffian acting up during a football game? How on earth, if there are laws against the ownership of handguns in the UK, did this happen? Is it because when laws are passed, only people that obey laws will obide by them? Hmmmm....

[Ice]

40 Million pounds?! Woah, that's huge.

[InsaneApache]

Shhhh!!!!.....you aint seen me, right?

[Devastatin Dave]

Shhhh!!!!.....you aint seen me, right?

Hmmm, I don't know, maybe a little "amnesia money" would do the trick.

[Duke Malcolm]

The BBC said £25 million...

[ShadesPanther]

But i thought you guys outlawed handguns and now the UK is inhabited by hobbits living in Hobbiton with only the occasional ruffian acting up during a football game? How on earth, if there are laws against the ownership of handguns in the UK, did this happen? Is it because when laws are passed, only people that obey laws will obide by them? Hmmmm....

It does cut down firearm crime as it is harder to get one and they are more noticible.

Say for instance. How many Deaths are there in the USA from crime Military weapons(Eg. M4a1, AK47, Carl Gustav Launcher, M79, Barret etc)? Lets say the number is x. Therefore because of x deaths this shows that limiting these weapions to only criminals is silly and so we should allow the people to have as many as possible.


Silly argument, yes, but just as silly as the argument against limiting firearms to the public.

[Tribesman]

But i thought you guys outlawed handguns and now the UK is inhabited by hobbits living in Hobbiton with only the occasional ruffian acting up during a football game? How on earth, if there are laws against the ownership of handguns in the UK, did this happen? Is it because when laws are passed, only people that obey laws will obide by them? Hmmmm....

And how would different gun laws have made any difference at all in this case Dave .
Oh I know , the manger would have reached for his gun after he was handcuffed and put in the back of what he thought was a police car , or even better his wife and kids could have shot the people who they thought were police when they were telling them about the "accident" .
Yay guns for all , its the only way to stop this crime

[GiantMonkeyMan]

they get them illegally from places where guns aren't illegal eg the US well that's what i've heard from my bro and he is doing a Criminology degree
and you so have never been to england if you think that football ruffians are the limits of crime here...

back to topic: that is a lot of money... i wonder how they police are going to follow this crime up

[Louis VI the Fat]

You can never stop illegal gun ownership completely. You can, however, go a long way towards preventing any hood ass punk from robbing a grocery store at gunpoint whenever they need a dose of crack.

[Goofball]

But i thought you guys outlawed handguns and now the UK is inhabited by hobbits living in Hobbiton with only the occasional ruffian acting up during a football game? How on earth, if there are laws against the ownership of handguns in the UK, did this happen? Is it because when laws are passed, only people that obey laws will obide by them? Hmmmm....

And how would different gun laws have made any difference at all in this case Dave .
Oh I know , the manger would have reached for his gun after he was handcuffed and put in the back of what he thought was a police car , or even better his wife and kids could have shot the people who they thought were police when they were telling them about the "accident" .
Yay guns for all , its the only way to stop this crime

Hush your mouth Tribesman. You have been told enough times by now that you should understand:

The more guns there are, the less crime there is.

The NRA says so.

Who the hell are you to deny it?

[RabidGibbon]

The articale

However, no one was hurt in the robbery.

So would it have been better if a mass shoot out erupted, involving dozens of heavily armed people blazing at each other?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Question: are crossbows legal?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They're not illegal but IIRC there are limitations. Gun crime has gone up considerably since the law was passed. Guns are now much cooler and more of a status symbol because they are so hard to get. No robbery is ever commited with a legally owned firearm.

In fact if everyone did have a gun it would reduce crime, right now in the UK if you have a gun you can be certain anyone you're going to rob won't, then the first Police on the scene won't either.

Its psychology, by making guns illigal you reduce the risk of committing a crime so people who might have been deterred now aren't. This is why concealed carry laws reduce crime, the risk to the crimal goes up because anyone he robs on the street might shoot him.

Its a very sad truth.

[Ice]

Gun crime has gone up considerably since the law was passed.

No guns... no gun crime?

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

they get them illegally from places where guns aren't illegal eg the US well that's what i've heard from my bro and he is doing a Criminology degree
and you so have never been to england if you think that football ruffians are the limits of crime here...

back to topic: that is a lot of money... i wonder how they police are going to follow this crime up

I heard they tended to come from Eastern Europe or Ireland. Tribesman, ShadesPanther, go sort out your paramilitary co-islanders.

[Crazed Rabbit]

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-Thomas Jefferson

Crazed Rabbit

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No guns... no gun crime?

Sorry, I thought I made it clear. It doesn't work, all firearm robberies in the UK are commited with illigeal weapons.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

yes but because it is harder to get guns then there will be less gun crime from punks who think it would be cool to go waving a gun about... people who rob things using guns are probably quite serious as this robbery shows

and my bro said that guns come from: usa, ireland, south america, eastern europe, and the middle east mainly... but i thought i would point out the usa (cos i am a bit of an anti-american )

[Husar]

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-Thomas Jefferson

Crazed Rabbit

You´re quoting one of those rebels who left mother Europe to go slaughter native Americans...
If people in that bank had guns, there might have been some wannabe-hero shooting at the gangsters, resulting in a firefight and a blodbath, compared to only some stolen money. Don´t tell me you rate money over lives.

[Xiahou]

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-Thomas Jefferson

Crazed Rabbit

Awesome quote.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

people will use what ever weapon they can get hold of, if guns are harder to get hold of then criminals will just use something else, however if there were more guns there would be more gun crime rather then stabbings, beatings etc, compare gun crime in the US and Britain and you will see what i mean

[KukriKhan]

Co-o-ol; it's been at least a week since our last gun thread - I was jonesin'.

If you were one of the robbers, how long would you wait to spend any of that cash?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

yes but because it is harder to get guns then there will be less gun crime from punks who think it would be cool to go waving a gun about... people who rob things using guns are probably quite serious as this robbery shows

and my bro said that guns come from: usa, ireland, south america, eastern europe, and the middle east mainly... but i thought i would point out the usa (cos i am a bit of an anti-american )

It doesn't work though because the criminals always bought their guns illigeally. The fact is that since the law was past gun crime has gone up sharply from near zero to shootings every week in some areas because guns are now higher status.

Anyway the guns aren't hard to get hold of, just go into a pub and ask in some areas, they're not expensive either.

The fact is guns are now "bling" so every "punk" does have one. Serious people don't tend to shoot people because its bad all round. Its the idiots that wave the things around that get people killed.

Husar, yes quite, but in this case the colonial, sadly, is right.

They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.

[Devastatin Dave]

If you were one of the robbers, how long would you wait to spend any of that cash?

Atleast a year, but first you need to get of the country. The best way to get away with this is become a UN worker and you can even get your travel paid for and what ever villiage they send you to "observe", you'll be able to have sex slaves and live like a king.

[Ja'chyra]

Atleast a year, but first you need to get of the country. The best way to get away with this is become a UN worker and you can even get your travel paid for and what ever villiage they send you to "observe", you'll be able to have sex slaves and live like a king.

I'm thinking that you've given this too much thought DD

[Crazed Rabbit]

You´re quoting one of those rebels who left mother Europe to go slaughter native Americans...

Jefferson was born in America, and did not fight Indians.

If people in that bank had guns, there might have been some wannabe-hero shooting at the gangsters, resulting in a firefight and a blodbath, compared to only some stolen money. Don´t tell me you rate money over lives.

It's funny how anti-gunner always make up hypothetical situations to justify their positions.

In reality, the kind of stuff that does happen is citizens helping cops in distress:

At a news conference Monday, Phares said Stephens walked out of the AutoZone and got his weapon after hearing Harrison, who was fighting with Temple on the ground, yell for help.

As Stephens, who was wearing a neck brace and using a cane, walked toward the men, he heard shots and Harrison again call for help.

At that point, Stephens asked Temple to get off Harrison, Phares said. When Temple did not comply, he shot Temple four times in the chest.

Stephens ordered Temple again to get off Harrison. When he did not comply, he shot Temple in the head, killing him, Phares said.

What is funny is how some cities allow armored truck guards to carry guns to protect money, but won't allow a parent to carry a gun to protect her children.

Crazed Rabbit

[master of the puppets]

as that quote stated, (and my sig now YAY ) taking away guns would help very few. 90 something percent of armed crimes in the US are done by un licesced or stolen guns. so even if we took all the guns away...i mean all the guns we could find well crimes would still be commited. and anyone with a gun does not go out or try to be a hero but when someone enters there home in the middle of the night a gun can save a family, its happened.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

yes but you are more likely to accidentally kill a member of your own family

http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPa...S/GUNOTHR.html

''Much is written in the popular literature concerning weapons for home defense, with articles recommending virtually any type of firearm short of a howitzer! Unfortunately, presence of guns in the home leads to more accidents and fatalities (often children) than to actual use in defensive situations. (Kellerman and Reay, 1986).

It should be remembered that most projectiles above .22 cal can penetrate the relatively thin wallboard of houses and apartments, and bullets fired from a military-style rifle might well penetrate through several houses! Perhaps the best weapon, if one were to pick an ideal based upon safety and ability to hit a target under duress, would be a short-barreled shotgun with shells containing small pellets (#6 or 7). (Zaleski, 1982)''

and here

http://www.nfpa.org/riskwatch/parent_firearm.html

''In 2001, 72 children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries, and an estimated 1,400 were treated in emergency rooms in 2002. (An unintentional firearm death/injury occurs when the person firing the gun does not intend to harm anyone.) Nearly all childhood unintentional shooting deaths occur in or around the home. Fifty percent occur in the home of the victim and nearly 40% occur in the home of a friend or relative.

Canadian Statistics: In 1997, seven children ages 14 and under died from unintentional firearm-related injuries.''

[Husar]

Jefferson was born in America, and did not fight Indians.

He didn´t need to, he already had slaves on his farm...

It's funny how anti-gunner always make up hypothetical situations to justify their positions.

In reality, the kind of stuff that does happen is citizens helping cops in distress:

Yes, I really enjoy doing this. I haven´t heard about a bank robbery not working in the US because an old grandma killed the robbers with her M4 yet.

What is funny is how some cities allow armored truck guards to carry guns to protect money, but won't allow a parent to carry a gun to protect her children.

That is because robbers want to rob money, not children, you can´t buy a Ferrari with a million children, but with a million € you can.

[Mikeus Caesar]

On the subject of allowing gun laws to be removed to allow concealed carrying, i think that would be a terrible mistake. More criminals would carry bigger weapons about to attack and defend themselves, causing more deaths. It'll eventually end in a bloodbath as someone is afraid of others looking at them funny.

Heck, even just allowing handguns to be legal would be terrible. Remember Dunblane?