China Doesnt Deserve Olimpic Games Of 2008!!!

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[Turin] Today the hunger strikers were greeted by Paolo Pobbiati, President of Italian section Amnesty International. His relationship with Ven. Palden Gyatso dates back to 1995 when Amnesty was able to host him on a long Italian tour soon after his release from prison and escape in exile. A deeply moved Paolo Pobbiati remained for quite some time in the company of Palden Gyatso. A new press conference was held in the afternoon with the presence of Bruno Mellano from Radical Party, MP Laura Cima, Paolo Pobbiati, Tamdin Choephel and Pema Yancghen. Tibetan doctor Thupten Tsering arrived from Bologna to provide medical advise and assistance to the hunger strikers.



RAI 3 National News Channel carried out interviews and filming of the three brave Tibetans. National newspaper ‘il Riformista’ featured an article calling for all journalists to pay homage to brave Tibetan monk Palden Gyatso and to write up about the Tibetan hunger strike in Torino during these Winter Olympics. There are 3,000 journalists in town to cover the games of 2,500 athletes. Encouraging and inspiring support e-mails keep flowing in from around the world. Some messages are very profound and emotional.

[Devastatin Dave]

Quick!!! To the Backroom!!!
Duna-duna-duna-duna-duna-duna-duna-duna Backroom!!! Backroom!!! Duna-duna-duna-duna-duna-duna!!!! Back room, backroom!!! Bam!!! Pow!!! Clunk!!!

(sung to the tune of Batman for all you unimaginative people)

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I don't understand what you meant ...

[Devastatin Dave]

Its just that this topic is kind of political and could get heated. Instead of the Frontroom of the Tavern, it would have probably been better posted in the Backroom. No offense to you my friend, just an opinion. Have you ever seen the TV episodes of Batman. If so, you might have understood I was trying to be funny. I'm such a failure!!!

[Papewaio]

Sure lets boycot the Olimpic Games.

China can keep the Olympic Games however...

[Beirut]

Free Tibet!

Now that that's out of my system...

To the Backroom - and awaaaaaaayyyyyyyy!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Tibet is far from the only reason to bar the Games from China.

The best we can hope for is the 'Lympics to continue to tank and that China builds a bunch of shiny new stadiums for nothing.

Of course, they could be converted to concentra- I mean, uh, re-education camps.

[Ice]

I'd have to agree.

[Don Corleone]

You guys really ought to go there and meet a few of them before you start with these blanket condemnations.

What they did in Tibet is certainly wrong by our standards, but to them, it's no different than the US Civil War. In their minds, Tibet is no different than South Carolina in 1864: Rebellious and keeping the nation from reaching it's full potential.

I'm not defending their view, I personally disagree with it. But frankly, a lot of their arguments ring true with me. If you want to convince Beijing that their policies towards Tibet and Taiwan are wrong (and I do agree they are) ask yourself, how would you persuade Lincoln to pursue a peaceful re-unification? As they say, they waited 120 years to get Tibet back and they've waited 50 for Taiwan. Lincoln gave it about 30 days.

Trust me, you will search long and hard before you find a friendlier and more hospitable people. Demonizing and villifying them and cutting them out of polite circles will not help, as they are a proud people as well. Given what they've given the world over the past 4000 years, I'd say they have a right to be.

[DemonArchangel]

Prometheus, you can free Tibet by yourself. I'll be in Beijing enjoying some great food and watching the Olympics.

And at least they won't have vapid 80's pop music at the Beijing Olympics. The Italians don't deserve Torino because it's basically boring and really not worth watching.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'm not exactly a sinophile, as a number of my earlier posts will confirm, but it strikes me that having the Olympics "taken away" from a country because we believe that country does not represent the best ideals in human rights is opening a BIG can of worms.

Remember:

Paris 1900 -- French lording it over Indochina and chunks of Africa
London 1908 -- The Sun had not set on the Empire and wogs could NOT check in at the Raffles
Berlin 1936 -- Hope you enjoyed the games, now please give me the Rhineland
Moscow 1980 -- a little distraction from their foray into Afghanistan
Los Angeles 1984 and Atlanta 1996 -- games hosted by "the great Satan"


Its the olympics. There's enough politics in them already. More would not help.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

DC - I'm more concerned with the government's policy of ruthlessly crushing all forms of dissent than Tibet.

[Don Corleone]

I don't support that either, but do you know it happens the way you read about it in papers?

Let me ask the question another way...

If China is as draconian as western media makes it out to be, how is it that there are mass farmer uprisings when a power plant leaks? Don't you think those guys would be in fear for their life and not worry about their crops if the PLA was kicking in doors on a nightly basis?

What's more, you ever notice the phone click when you say the b-word and mention the government?

[Ice]

What's more, you ever notice the phone click when you say the b-word and mention the government?

You've caught my attention, tell me more.

[Don Corleone]

What's to tell? It's not like the government doesn't monitor us. It's not a question of 'if', it's a question of 'how much'.

Sure, by our standards, China pushes the whole surveilance thing a bit further than we would appreciate, but I'll tell you, having been there, lived there and done business there, it's not as bad as some 'free' countries.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Weren't they imprisoning members of "illegal" churches in the last decade if not more recent?

[Ice]

What's to tell? It's not like the government doesn't monitor us. It's not a question of 'if', it's a question of 'how much'.

Sure, by our standards, China pushes the whole surveilance thing a bit further than we would appreciate, but I'll tell you, having been there, lived there and done business there, it's not as bad as some 'free' countries.

How do they though.. I just find that interesting they able to monitor every phone call. b-word as in bomb?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

*click*

[Papewaio]

I wonder if bombastic is a trigger word.

[Don Corleone]

Weren't they imprisoning members of "illegal" churches in the last decade if not more recent?

Weren't we?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Ummm. Not to my knowledge.



Also to my knowledge, the only thing the house churches in China did wrong was ignore the government's ban on unofficial churches. I suspect churches prosecuted in the US were up to something less noble.

[Don Corleone]

Other than finding it's way onto the official "Janet Reno doesn't like you" list, would you care to tell me what the Branch Davidians had done that every man, woman and child inside the compound deserved to be torched alive?

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Awww crap for crap. Forgot about that. Good point.

Though I still would argue that America is more free, for now, than China. And that China is still "evil" in the sense that the USSR was an "evil" - no matter how good the people there are, their government is still bad.

And I still hope China wastes a lot of money on the Games.

[Don Corleone]

I am not trying to argue that life in China is better or freer than it is right here in the US of A. Believe me. I'm trying to say we're talking about the difference between mauve and purple, not red and blue. We sound a bit naive and silly when we say things like "it's night and day difference". No, it's dusk and twilight different...

[lars573]

CHINA KEEPS TIBET FOREVER!
DOWN WITH THAT WRINKLED POS THE DALAI LAMA!

*note*The above is not sarcasm I really beleive those words with all my heart.

[Zalmoxis]

The government of China has the right to watch you, it has been given to it by the great wisdom of the ancients. If you disagree, the ancients say it's alright to censor you.

[JimBob]

would you care to tell me what the Branch Davidians had done that every man, woman and child inside the compound deserved to be torched alive?

The Branch Davidians shot and killed 4 ATF agents and wounded 16 more. Those agents were enforcing a legal warrant. There is zero concrete evidence that the FBI started the fire. There is also zero concrete evidence that the Davidians started the fire. It could very well have been an accident that no one foresaw. It is tragic, but there is no great government conspiracy here, there are plenty, go look.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Branch Davidians shot and killed 4 ATF agents and wounded 16 more. Those agents were enforcing a legal warrant. There is zero concrete evidence that the FBI started the fire. There is also zero concrete evidence that the Davidians started the fire. It could very well have been an accident that no one foresaw. It is tragic, but there is no great government conspiracy here, there are plenty, go look.

They were investigating the Davidans on charges that later turned out false. And there's a hell of a lot of evidence out there. The place went up because of what the gov't tanks (Tanks!) fired in there. The gov't wanted to smack those people down, and they did that. Those scum attacking the Davidans deserved death, as do all agents of tyranny. The Davidans had done nothing illegal.

Just like when the FBI killed a man's kid and assasinated his wife after laying siege to his house on account of charges that later turned out to be false.

Luckily, when they (or was it some immigration agency? The thugs with SMGs begin to blend together) burst into a Miami home to steal a kid from his relatives and hand him over to a communist regime, they weren't so trigger happy. Perhaps because the media were there.

Nevertheless, I still think we're somewhat better than China, though the gov't can't be blameless in such reprehensible incidents as Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Crazed Rabbit

[Shadow]

My personal option is that Tibet is better off with the Chinese government then gaining independent after all you guys can see that Mongolia after breaking off from china is in a worse state then before, after the collapse of the USSR

[kataphraktoi]

Every freaking country has occupied someone else's land. PERIOD....

Every freaking country uses repressive measures. Doesn't matter if its harsh or less harsh, its still freakin repressive.

Tibet doesn't need freedom, it needs economic development.

You think Tibet would be better off under a Theocratic Lamaists rule as nice as that Dalai Lama dude is?

Oh come on...before Tibet turned into the world's 'favourite' victim by lefties, musicians and idealists, the Lamaists of Tibet were just as cruel, repressive, dictatorial and religiously INTOLERANT. Tell the world the truth of Lamaist rule and they could easily become a target of UN's Human Right's COmmission.

One of their favourite punishments was to sow u up in some animal's skin and wait for it to shrink when it dries crushing u to death in the process.