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    There is a scientific basis for the idea of an afterlife, einstine himself believed in an afterlife because matter and energy can not be destroyed therefore if we have souls then they cannot be destroyed and so will live on for ever.

    But i would say that the scientific evidense for us having a ''soul'' is unclear although this is something i believe.

    so i guess the real question is, do we have souls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    There is a scientific basis for the idea of an afterlife, einstine himself believed in an afterlife because matter and energy can not be destroyed therefore if we have souls then they cannot be destroyed and so will live on for ever.

    But i would say that the scientific evidense for us having a ''soul'' is unclear although this is something i believe.

    so i guess the real question is, do we have souls?
    First, define "soul" (that is relatable to the physical world) and using that definition, determine if there is evidence of its existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quietus
    First, define "soul" (that is relatable to the physical world) and using that definition, determine if there is evidence of its existence.
    isn't the problem with a soul that it is not related to the physical world but the psycological/spiritual, there have been interesting instances of personallity change after organ translants, is this due to transferrral of part of the donars soul? i don't know?
    does a ghost act in the physical world? ive never seen one but i know that someone like Derran Brown could make you think you have, but then again he can also make you think hes invisible can read minds and that your in a computer game!
    its like one of the many other weird phonmonon out there (like Champ) they say in every instance that quantity of evidense is proof, but is it? is it proof that humans have a knowlege deep inside that there is something more? or that their all bored! or even that the main public itself does not like to listen to different views on whats goin on?
    I can't present any ''proof'' that you guys would all accept but that doesnt mean that it is impossible, heck if you think about it a soul is something that most of earths population believe in na dall science itself is is a collection of the most plausable or most popular explanations of phenomonom (da daaa dadada )

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    Meh, viruses live and they are a small pile of nucleotides and proteins. Whilst actually creating life is pretty tricky, once it's around it seems to last fairly well.

    I'm alive, and so are the billions of single-celled organisms in my gut...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDC
    Meh, viruses live
    mm.. whether viruses are "alive" is debateable. just fyi.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Viruses are, indeed debatable, but bacteria are not. So: do bacteria have souls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zorba
    Viruses are, indeed debatable, but bacteria are not. So: do bacteria have souls?
    Soul as in a spiritual represention of your being in a parallel universe, or soul as in knowing that you are alive?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    I can't present any ''proof'' that you guys would all accept but that doesnt mean that it is impossible, heck if you think about it a soul is something that most of earths population believe in na dall science itself is is a collection of the most plausable or most popular explanations of phenomonom (da daaa dadada )
    Science is not a democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Science is not a democracy.

    And I think you have a Euclidian point.
    I never said science was a democracy

    in science the most accepted theory is ususally the most popular one is it not?

    heck when ever a scientific opinion is asked they say, most scientists think...

    i guess its a sort of natural democracy

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    What decides what is alive? What is the definition of "alive"? Breathing? Yes. Beeing able to experience pain? Yes. So I'd say, in the way we mostly use the word "life" and "alive", all humans live.


    Whatever you see in it, in my definition, I can say with certainty that I am alive.

    My opinion on death probably corresponds with a lot of people on this board - since many here look at things straightforward and logically. I think death is nothing, and it is unimaginable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    in science the most accepted theory is ususally the most popular one is it not?
    Not really. The most accepted theory is the one with the most evidence to support it. Because scientists adhere to the same ground rules of evidence, there will tend to be a correlation between accurate theories and scientific consensus.

    But, for example, gravity won't vanish just because no-one believes in it (should that happen). Before Newton, there was no popular awareness of it as an explainable force, but things still fell down.
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    We are alive, because:

    *we define alive as what we are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruchai
    Not really. The most accepted theory is the one with the most evidence to support it. Because scientists adhere to the same ground rules of evidence, there will tend to be a correlation between accurate theories and scientific consensus.

    But, for example, gravity won't vanish just because no-one believes in it (should that happen). Before Newton, there was no popular awareness of it as an explainable force, but things still fell down.
    i didn't say that scientific fact is dependant on how many people believe it, only that the theorys that are accepted are taken as such because they are the most popular, of course the usual reason that they are the most popular is (mainly) because they have the best evidence. When Newton first presented his theorys he had to win over supporters before his theorys were accepted. If most scientists had not accepted his theorys then they wouldn't be the most accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    isn't the problem with a soul that it is not related to the physical world but the psycological/spiritual, there have been interesting instances of personallity change after organ translants, is this due to transferrral of part of the donars soul? i don't know?
    does a ghost act in the physical world? ive never seen one but i know that someone like Derran Brown could make you think you have, but then again he can also make you think hes invisible can read minds and that your in a computer game!
    its like one of the many other weird phonmonon out there (like Champ) they say in every instance that quantity of evidense is proof, but is it? is it proof that humans have a knowlege deep inside that there is something more? or that their all bored! or even that the main public itself does not like to listen to different views on whats goin on?
    I can't present any ''proof'' that you guys would all accept but that doesnt mean that it is impossible, heck if you think about it a soul is something that most of earths population believe in na dall science itself is is a collection of the most plausable or most popular explanations of phenomonom (da daaa dadada )
    Since organs have the same functions and general structure, the problem really is organ rejection where the new body doesn't molecularly recognize the transplanted organ hence it being attacked by the immune system.

    The conundrum with Natural and the Supernatural is that there is no link whatsoever between the two.

    For example: Ghosts. What is a Ghost? Is it relatable to the physical world?

    Meaning, does it follow the laws physics? eg.

    If it has mass such that it has to follow gravity.
    If it reflect visible light making is visible to the human eye.

    If so, then it is not Supernatural, it is Natural.

    Therefore, is the Soul natural? What is it made of? What holds it together? What's the link between the body and the soul?

    There must be a definition first before it can be answered properly. :)

    Viruses are, indeed debatable, but bacteria are not. So: do bacteria have souls?
    Virus are non-living and it depends how anyone define what a soul is.

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