the EB required help thread

[edyzmedieval]

Continue it man.

[MaximianusBR]

OK!!

[Moros]

you didn't get my pm? My computer/the guild/(or me?) is so strange, sometimes I post (or I post a pm) and when I read the thread again I don't see my post.
Sorry for that, I'll post you tomorrow ASAP and salso sorry for not being much on yesterday and today (bussy). Anyway you can be sure to hear from me tomorrow.

[MaximianusBR]

ok...no problem...I started to do some things...did you saw it?what you think?

[basics]

I'm also messing around with animations. I'm used to making small mods myself, so I'm passable with a broad range of skills rather than really good at any one thing.

I was unhappy with the current gladius/scutum animation. Holding the shield out like that would kill your arms. This is a WIP.

EDIT: Old animation is below, my new one is above.

Dear aevionknight,

Your example is perfectly correct both in defensive nature and assault. Well done.

Yours,
basics.

[Pius]

I would like to offer my help to this formidable mod! I lack experience in the actual modding business but would like to contribute with my knowledge to the description work. I would be most helpful doing research on old Scandinavian/Norse names for Eleuthoroi settlements, buildings and units in that region (as I am of Swedish descent) if this hasn't already been addressed, but can of course help with anything you need. Command and I will obey!

Yours truly, and with outmost respect, Pius.

[Armenian Warlord]

here is a link that will help fix the Hayasdan faction.

http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

[Kull]

I would like to offer my help to this formidable mod! I lack experience in the actual modding business but would like to contribute with my knowledge to the description work. I would be most helpful doing research on old Scandinavian/Norse names for Eleuthoroi settlements, buildings and units in that region (as I am of Swedish descent) if this hasn't already been addressed, but can of course help with anything you need. Command and I will obey!

Yours truly, and with outmost respect, Pius.

Thanks for volunteering! There isn't a faction for that area, but if you could come up with some information covering our time frame (272 BC to 14 AD), that might be helpful. In particular, these items:

1) Information on the tribes and peoples (and what they were known for). This could be used to create a Sweboz "ethnic" trait (for a family member who comes from the Northlands) or even an Ancillary.

2) Natural Wonders. Anything which had known religious significance or is such a marvel of beauty or power that the ancients would surely have told stories about it. Extra Points if these stories have come down to us in any way, either as rock carvings (or being surrounded by such) or pre-norse sagas (these can be iffy as they are well beyond our time frame).

[Zalmoxis]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but for some reason I can't download the 0.74 patch, when I click the websites it won't display the page. Any suggestions?
EDIT: Also, how do you put the faction banners in your sig? I know I must have asked this at least twice before, but I can't find a thread telling me how.

[Pius]

Thanks for volunteering! There isn't a faction for that area, but if you could come up with some information covering our time frame (272 BC to 14 AD), that might be helpful. In particular, these items:

1) Information on the tribes and peoples (and what they were known for). This could be used to create a Sweboz "ethnic" trait (for a family member who comes from the Northlands) or even an Ancillary.

2) Natural Wonders. Anything which had known religious significance or is such a marvel of beauty or power that the ancients would surely have told stories about it. Extra Points if these stories have come down to us in any way, either as rock carvings (or being surrounded by such) or pre-norse sagas (these can be iffy as they are well beyond our time frame).

1) I have been doing some research on the late nordic bronze age/early pre-roman iron age (time span approximately 1000 BC - 200 AD) and have come up with some very interesting information. Even though this civilization didn't leave much text/scripture for archeologists to find (they did, however, posses the elder Futhark, or elder Fuþark, the old runic alphabet, in the first centuries AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark), I found this description by the Roman historian and scholar Tacitus:

"Tacitus wrote in AD 98 that the Suiones were a powerful tribe (distinguished not merely for their arms and men, but for their powerful fleets) with ships that had a prow in both ends (longships):

Beyond these people (the Rugii and the Lemovii) are the states (civitates) of the Suiones, but these are in the ocean itself (i.e. on an island and not, like the Rugii and Lemovii, on the South Baltic coast of the mainland). The Suiones are distinguished not merely for their arms and men, but for their powerful fleets, though the style of their ships is unusual in that there is a prow at each end so that the boat can advance head-on in either direction. Moreover, they do not use sails, and the oars are not fixed in rows along the sides, but are detachable, and are removed on certain rivers; they can also be reversed, if occasion demands. These people respect wealth, and one man among them is supreme, there being no limits to his power and no question as to the full obedience due to him. Promiscuous carrying of arms is not allowed here, as it is among the other Germans, but weapons are kept shut up in the charge of a slave who acts as guard. This is because the sea prevents sudden inroads from enemies, and because bands of armed men who have nothing to do often become unruly. It is not found expedient for the king (regia utilitas) to place a nobleman or a freeborn man, or even a freedman, in charge over these arms...["

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suiones" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suiones

The Scandinavian tribes, one of the most remarked the Suiones (from which the word Sweden has derived) differed on many points from the germanic tribes on the mainland. They were master seafarers. The Scandinavians adopted many central European and Mediterranean symbols at the same time that they created new styles and objects. Mycenaean Greece, the Villanovan culture, Phoenicia and Ancient Egypt have all been identified as possible sources of influence in Scandinavian artworks from this period.
I'll continue my search and see if I can find something more concrete to base a trait on.

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2) I gave this some thought, and I have come up with three possible Natural Wonders. There are various Stone Monuments in Scandinavia, I have listed the most common.

1) Petroglyphs - During the Nordic bronze age, ca 1800 BC - 600 BC, the Scandinavian tribes practised the art of stonecarving. The Swedish west coast in particular is wellknown for having these magnificent stone carvings. They carved thousands of symbols, figures and images of varying size in the rocks, some pretty small, some huge. They mostly portrayed animals (like elk, deer and various cattle), humans (warriors, human figures with clear sexual themes, suggesting the existence of a fertility cult, and god-like depictions) and last but not least the famous longships. These were sometimes portrayed in a much bigger scale than the other carvings, some streching as far as a couple of metres. (In modern Swedish, these petroglyphs are known as 'Hällristningar', fused by the two words 'häll' and 'ristning', 'häll' meaning a big, flat rock or rockside, as these figures were carved on the big rocks close to the coast that had been flattened during the ice age, and 'ristning' simply meaning carving.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanumshede

2) Stone circles - These Stone Circles (not to be confused with the Stone Circles of the British Celts) are in modern Swedish called Domarringar, meaning Judge-rings. These mysterious monuments consisted of giant rocks raised in the shape of a circle. The number of rocks were often of an odd number, often seven or nine, but bigger circles have been found. The function of these monuments is believed to be connected with the deathcult and burial rituals of the Scandinavian people. Parts of skeletons and ashes have been found in some sites. The knowledge of the function of these monuments seem to have survived in folklore as late as the 13th century, when the icelandic historian and poet Snorre Sturlasson wrote his famous Heimskringla, the Norweigan Kinglegends. In this epos he writes the following:

As to funeral rites, the earliest age is called the Age of Burning; because all the dead were consumed by fire, and over their ashes were raised standing stones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_circle_%28Iron_Age%29

3) Stone Ships - One of the strangest remains from the Nordic Bronze age, and certainly the biggest, are the magnificent stone ships. The custom is believed to be of Germanic origin, but nowhere do they get as common, or big, as in Sweden. They are believed to have represented the actual burning ship in which the dead was sent out to the sea. They served as places for worship and burials. There are theories stating that they functioned as a sort of calendar. The Stone Ships are built from stones and rocks of various sizes, in the shape of a ship. The size of the Ships varies as well, from just a few metres to monumental sizes. The double ships in Amund's Mound have a total length of over a 100 metres, along with many smaller ships and burial mounds. It has been dated to late Bronze age/early pre-roman iron age (ca 100 BC - 100 AD).


I have personally visited and seen all of the monuments in my list, as I live on the west coast. They are all very interesting and mysterious in a very attractive way, if I may say so :P
All of these monuments were present in all of Scandinavia, including Denmark and Gotland.

On another note, I was checking the buildings available in the settlements in Scandinavia and found that the Shrine of Nêrthuz had been labeled 'meaning unknown' or something similar. I wish to shed some light on that.
Nêrthuz, or Nerthus, translates as the 'Earth Mother' and is probably from where the word 'Earth' has derived. Worship of the fertility goddess Nerthus was common throughout the whole of Germania, including Scandinavia. I have myself laid my eyes on a stonecarving in Tanumshede which many archeologists believe to be a depiction of Nerthus.
Nerthus was mentioned by Tacitus in his work Germania. He recorded a second-hand account of a sacrifice to this goddess in a lake on what is often interpreted as the island of Fyn, in Denmark. For a full account, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerthus

Also, I was wondering if you can tell me what language the names of the cities in Scandinavia are in, in EB, and if I can see the source? This would help my research a lot.

Yours Sincerely, Pius.

[Moros]

nice Pius! Maybe you can help the Sweboz people? I believe they could use a hand, right? Do you think you might be able to do that?

[Pius]

Absolutely. I can help with the Sweboz, or any other faction/team that needs help. After all, it's just a matter of research.

It would be great if the Wonders I mentioned could actually be implented in a future build, as they played a big part of the named civilization. Do you have any suggestions as to where I might go from here? I am in need of a little push in the right direction.

Best regards, Pius.

[Radier]

Pius, I am glad you are trying to make us fellow northes better representated in
the mod. Keep up the good work!

[Pius]

Thanks a lot, just doing my duty :D
It's an honour to be able to contribute to this fantastic mod!

My humble regards, Pius

[Moros]

Well if you like I can contact the Sweboz or another faction coordinator and ask him if you can't help with description or other research stuff.
If you think you can help the Sweboz a lot you can contact TheTank.

About the descriptions and stuff I like them but as I'm not an historian nor a native speaker I'm not really qualified to judge about it. But if you want I can ask the Sweboz guys what they think about it.

[Pius]

I'll do just that, thank you GertGregoor! I'll send TheTank a PM right away.

[tk-421]

I have been editing text for EB for several months now. I would like to continue editing text but I also would like to volunteer to be a Multi player and custom battle stat editor. I've been thinking about volunteering for a long time but have been too busy. Now that summer is here I will have a lot more time. I am familiar with most aspects of the export_descr_unit file and have done some balancing with it for my personal versions of EB and before that, RTR.

[Moros]

I have been editing text for EB for several months now. I would like to continue editing text but I also would like to volunteer to be a Multi player and custom battle stat editor. I've been thinking about volunteering for a long time but have been too busy. Now that summer is here I will have a lot more time. I am familiar with most aspects of the export_descr_unit file and have done some balancing with it for my personal versions of EB and before that, RTR.

okay, I'll pm you and I'll talk with Qwerty our current campaign stat guy.


And thanks for your offer and all your previous work the whole EB team appreciates it!

[N. Tollus Galicus]

Hello people,

I am very new to this forum, and I've only been playing EB since yesterday evening, but this mod is a blockbuster!!

I was just tex-avery-like jaw-broken when I saw all greek-named building after taking Tarentum....
It's definitely a pity that EB has not reached final release status....

Thinking this is for most part due to the monstruous work it represent and the insuficient manpower ressources, I come to offer some help.

I am a master graduate Roman Republic historian (Sorbonne, Paris) and a former COBOL developper.
Therefore, I think I could help with many historic matters (have some college-level sources at home, fluent latinist, and I think I could even find some greek high-school books somewhere in my cellar.... ;-) ) and, even though I have not for now modded anything in this game, I have allready had a look at the main modding-friendly files (EDU, EDB, EDCT, etc...) and I think that with a little help from veteran modders I can quickly be operational on that ground (scripting though is for now still a bit hermetic to me.... again, a little help and....)

On the other hand, I am totally artisticaly inept... so.... uade retro Photoshop 3DSMaxque!!!

Hope I could put my stone on the building...

[Moros]

thanks fory your offer, I'll send you a pm.

[MaximianusBR]

I'm the guy who's making the recruit guide....but i'm not progressing very much cause my pc it's exploding!this s*it is very bad and reboot alone zillions of times...
so i think maybe you guys could recruit some other people to make the guide too...i'm making rome...maybe some people to make eastern factions...
can you do it?

(i'm turtling it cause i losted it several times to reboot...i think the pc is getting too hot, cooling probs)

[Moros]

Okay, I'll look for other guys too!

[MaximianusBR]

thanks!...(relieved now)

[Darkarbiter]

I dont have much experience with actual scripting or Skinning or 3d work. However i will be more then happy to do any descriptions or unit stats or guides or anything else that requires doing. I dont see many people doing guides so ill probably end up writing one on something anyway

[MaximianusBR]

I dont have much experience with actual scripting or Skinning or 3d work. However i will be more then happy to do any descriptions or unit stats or guides or anything else that requires doing. I dont see many people doing guides so ill probably end up writing one on something anyway

I'm making a romani guide...try to make one of another faction and make a thread showing it....

maybe you can do something like it:

Units List:

Camillian Romani: Used in year 272 to 209.

These units get out of use with the Polybian Reforms of 209.
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General Bodyguard:
Equites Consulares: Consuls, and other high Roman officials, are escorted by small mounted bodyguards. Most of these horsemen share a similar background and strong social ties with their general, and loyally fight with him as heavy cavalry. Magnificent, prestigious Greek armour is predominantly used by the Equites Consulares. Most of them wear shining bronze muscle cuirasses, Etrusco-Corinthian helmets, and greaves on both legs. Besides the traditional Roman round parma equestris shield they carry a hasta lance and swords as weapons.

Advantages: Powerful charge, excellent morale, excellent armor, good stamina, inspires nearby troops, best used in decisive moments of battle.

Disadvantages: Vulnerable to spearman units.

Buildings required: none
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Accensii:
They are the light missile reserve troops placed behind the Triarii and Rorarii in the legions battle formation. They are too poor to have any real equipment besides a sling, and in most cases too old or not experienced or skilled enough to use this effectively.
Advantages: good to harass enemies infantry, Can sap, move fast, good against javelins skirmishers.

Disadvantages: Poor armored, weak in melee.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 1???
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Leves: The Leves are skirmishers armed with the gaesum, light javelins of Iberian style, a short thrusting spear and a small, but strong round shield. They wear no armour despite a helmet; they are the legions front line skirmishers, in a pitched battle they will screen the legions main battle line during the advance and harass the enemy, good used in protect flanks with the cavalry too, and easily crush elephant units.

Advantages: Good to harassment, fast movement, bonus vs. elephants, javelins very effective to kill elephants, effective harassing phalanx units.

Disadvantages: poor armored, will be crushed in melee combat with almost all other units.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 1???
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Rorarii: Rorarii are reserve skirmishers armed with a hasta spear, javelins of the light Iberian gaesum type, and carry an early version of the scutum. They do not wear armour, but wear a helmet, are placed behind the Triarii in the legions battle formation. They can be used to fill gaps and support wavering lines but they can’t be expected to hold whole sections of the battle line by themselves.

Advantages: very mobile, good in protect rear and flank movements, good in flank movements too.

Disadvantages: poor armored, will be easily crushed by heavy infantry.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 2???
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Hastati:
They are the youngest soldiers that wear a full panoply and form the first of the three lines of the battle formation of legionary heavy infantry. They are expected to weaken and tire the enemy, if they cannot break him, before the next line, the Principes, engages.

Advantages: throw javelins before charge, good morale, good stamina, can sap, pila very good to kill elephants, very mobile.

Disadvantages: Low armor.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 3???
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Principes:
Spearman Roman unit, armed with two pila, the hasta thrusting spear, and an Italian short sword, Principes are protected by an early version of the scutum, a bronze helmet, a bronze greave on the leading leg and a small square chest plate, called pectorale, or "heart protector." As soon as the enemy comes in range they will throw their pilum to soften his formation and then engage at close quarters, older and more trained than the Hastati, are best used to kill enemies tired after fight the Hastati, but are powerful enough to match other heavy units.

Advantages: throw javelins before charge, very good morale, good stamina, can sap, pila very good to kill elephants, good mobility, bonus vs. cavalry.

Disadvantages: less heavy armored than other heavy units.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria.

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 3???
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Triarii:
Roman Spearman, they are the oldest and most experienced soldiers of a legion, and formed the third line of heavy infantry. Most often during battle they are kept in reserve, resting on one knee under cover of their shields to stay fresh and protected until they are needed. They are the rock of the legion, covering a "rearward advance" if the heavy infantry assault failed, and an old Roman adage came of their use: "to have come to the Triarii" meant that the situation was dire, indeed.
The early Triarii are equipped in full Greek panoply. They wear a muscled cuirass, a bronze greave on the leading leg, an Etrusco-Corinthian helmet; carry a Greek Clipeus shield, a hoplite sword, and the hasta thrusting spear, Fight Forming phalanx formation.

Advantages: Very well armored, very good morale, good stamina,? can sap?, very resistant to enemy attacks, bonus against cavalry, very good against elite units if not flanked.

Disadvantages: low mobility, very slow, flanks and rear vulnerably to cavalry charge, can be easily flanked by faster troops.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria


Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 4???
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Equites Romani: The equites are the roman citizen cavalry force. They are armed and armoured in Greek fashion with a hasta lance, a sword, a round parma equestris shield with a diameter of 50-80 cm, a crested helmet and wear a bronze muscle cuirass.
The equites were the members of the ordo equester and the sons of the families of the ordo senatorius, the two classes of the roman nobility, the wealthiest and most influential men. This proud horsemen were the future leading men of Roma. Their small numbers and the formidable opposition of other nations more professional cavalry often limited their effect on the battlefield, so that they were rarely used for other tasks than securing the flanks of the heavy infantry.

Advantages: good charge, good in pursuit running enemies, very good armoured, very good morale, very good stamina.


Disadvantages: weaker than some other cavalry units, vulnerable to spearman units.
Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 5???
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do it the way you prefer...just a sugestion....thaks for help!...I mean, if gertgregoor acept it...he's the almyghty here....

[Bonny]

good work
keep it up

[Moros]

I dont have much experience with actual scripting or Skinning or 3d work. However i will be more then happy to do any descriptions or unit stats or guides or anything else that requires doing. I dont see many people doing guides so ill probably end up writing one on something anyway

good to hear! I'll pm you asap. Tough it may take till thirsday as I'm having exams.

[Moros]

I'm making a romani guide...try to make one of another faction and make a thread showing it....

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

maybe you can do something like it:

Units List:

Camillian Romani: Used in year 272 to 209.

These units get out of use with the Polybian Reforms of 209.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
General Bodyguard:
Equites Consulares: Consuls, and other high Roman officials, are escorted by small mounted bodyguards. Most of these horsemen share a similar background and strong social ties with their general, and loyally fight with him as heavy cavalry. Magnificent, prestigious Greek armour is predominantly used by the Equites Consulares. Most of them wear shining bronze muscle cuirasses, Etrusco-Corinthian helmets, and greaves on both legs. Besides the traditional Roman round parma equestris shield they carry a hasta lance and swords as weapons.

Advantages: Powerful charge, excellent morale, excellent armor, good stamina, inspires nearby troops, best used in decisive moments of battle.

Disadvantages: Vulnerable to spearman units.

Buildings required: none
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Accensii:
They are the light missile reserve troops placed behind the Triarii and Rorarii in the legions battle formation. They are too poor to have any real equipment besides a sling, and in most cases too old or not experienced or skilled enough to use this effectively.
Advantages: good to harass enemies infantry, Can sap, move fast, good against javelins skirmishers.

Disadvantages: Poor armored, weak in melee.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 1???
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Leves: The Leves are skirmishers armed with the gaesum, light javelins of Iberian style, a short thrusting spear and a small, but strong round shield. They wear no armour despite a helmet; they are the legions front line skirmishers, in a pitched battle they will screen the legions main battle line during the advance and harass the enemy, good used in protect flanks with the cavalry too, and easily crush elephant units.

Advantages: Good to harassment, fast movement, bonus vs. elephants, javelins very effective to kill elephants, effective harassing phalanx units.

Disadvantages: poor armored, will be crushed in melee combat with almost all other units.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 1???
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Rorarii: Rorarii are reserve skirmishers armed with a hasta spear, javelins of the light Iberian gaesum type, and carry an early version of the scutum. They do not wear armour, but wear a helmet, are placed behind the Triarii in the legions battle formation. They can be used to fill gaps and support wavering lines but they can’t be expected to hold whole sections of the battle line by themselves.

Advantages: very mobile, good in protect rear and flank movements, good in flank movements too.

Disadvantages: poor armored, will be easily crushed by heavy infantry.
*Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 2???
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Hastati:
They are the youngest soldiers that wear a full panoply and form the first of the three lines of the battle formation of legionary heavy infantry. They are expected to weaken and tire the enemy, if they cannot break him, before the next line, the Principes, engages.

Advantages: throw javelins before charge, good morale, good stamina, can sap, pila very good to kill elephants, very mobile.

Disadvantages: Low armor.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 3???
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Principes:
Spearman Roman unit, armed with two pila, the hasta thrusting spear, and an Italian short sword, Principes are protected by an early version of the scutum, a bronze helmet, a bronze greave on the leading leg and a small square chest plate, called pectorale, or "heart protector." As soon as the enemy comes in range they will throw their pilum to soften his formation and then engage at close quarters, older and more trained than the Hastati, are best used to kill enemies tired after fight the Hastati, but are powerful enough to match other heavy units.

Advantages: throw javelins before charge, very good morale, good stamina, can sap, pila very good to kill elephants, good mobility, bonus vs. cavalry.

Disadvantages: less heavy armored than other heavy units.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria.

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 3???
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Triarii:
Roman Spearman, they are the oldest and most experienced soldiers of a legion, and formed the third line of heavy infantry. Most often during battle they are kept in reserve, resting on one knee under cover of their shields to stay fresh and protected until they are needed. They are the rock of the legion, covering a "rearward advance" if the heavy infantry assault failed, and an old Roman adage came of their use: "to have come to the Triarii" meant that the situation was dire, indeed.
The early Triarii are equipped in full Greek panoply. They wear a muscled cuirass, a bronze greave on the leading leg, an Etrusco-Corinthian helmet; carry a Greek Clipeus shield, a hoplite sword, and the hasta thrusting spear, Fight Forming phalanx formation.

Advantages: Very well armored, very good morale, good stamina,? can sap?, very resistant to enemy attacks, bonus against cavalry, very good against elite units if not flanked.

Disadvantages: low mobility, very slow, flanks and rear vulnerably to cavalry charge, can be easily flanked by faster troops.
*Can be recruited in: Roma/Latium, Capua/Campania, Arretium/Etruria, Ariminum/Umbria, Canusium/Apulia, Segesta/Liguria


Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 4???
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Equites Romani: The equites are the roman citizen cavalry force. They are armed and armoured in Greek fashion with a hasta lance, a sword, a round parma equestris shield with a diameter of 50-80 cm, a crested helmet and wear a bronze muscle cuirass.
The equites were the members of the ordo equester and the sons of the families of the ordo senatorius, the two classes of the roman nobility, the wealthiest and most influential men. This proud horsemen were the future leading men of Roma. Their small numbers and the formidable opposition of other nations more professional cavalry often limited their effect on the battlefield, so that they were rarely used for other tasks than securing the flanks of the heavy infantry.

Advantages: good charge, good in pursuit running enemies, very good armoured, very good morale, very good stamina.


Disadvantages: weaker than some other cavalry units, vulnerable to spearman units.
Can be recruited in: Roma, Capua, Arretium, Ariminum, Canusium, Segesta

Buildings required: I-Regional Italian Government-Homeland Government
??MIC level 5???
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do it the way you prefer...just a sugestion....thaks for help!...I mean, if gertgregoor acept it...he's the almyghty here....

Good work! btw: I'm not almighty here, Khelvan and Kull are. Fear them and their occultus powers!

hihi I know all the occulti!...

but still, fear them! honor them. And please them! Now, go sacrifice your oldest son!

[MaximianusBR]

Good work! btw: I'm not almighty here, Khelvan and Kull are. Fear them and their occultus powers!

hihi I know all the occulti!...

but still, fear them! honor them. And please them! Now, go sacrifice your oldest son!

...but in this thread you are almyghty!don't you?you have the power to recruit!

EB Hierarchy:
Khelvan , Kull
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gertgregoor and some other people...
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some team members
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inactive team members
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me and other fans trying to help and sacrificing our oldest childrens to mighty occultus people!!

right list?

[Foot]

...but in this thread you are almyghty!don't you?you have the power to recruit!

EB Hierarchy:
Khelvan , Kull
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gertgregoor and some other people...
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some team members
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inactive team members
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me and other fans trying to help and sacrificing our oldest childrens to mighty occultus people!!

right list?

Oh if only you knew the perverted truth of our hierarchy and our organisation!

Foot