JFK Reloaded

[Mikeus Caesar]

You people are just taking this game for face value, thinking 'ZOMG! Naughty tasteless game where you kilz teh prezidentz!! Oh noes!' rather than looking at the historical value behind this. It helps you show that it might not have been Oswald behind the shootings, and helps teach kids about the incident, or at least inspire them to research it. It sure did with me.

Either that, or you're accounts have been hacked by some anti-video game bigot.

[Reverend Joe]

There's a fine line between shooting up random civilians in Grand Theft Auto and recreating an assassination. Not just any assassination, either- an assassination that changed the course of history for the worse.

And don't be so Incompatible language condascending. If it wasn't Oswald, then why the hell are you acting out the supposed role of Oswald? Hell, I don't believe Oswald did it, either, but this is grotesque.

[phred]

this is grotesque.

hear, hear!

[Mikeus Caesar]

And don't be so Incompatible language condascending. If it wasn't Oswald, then why the hell are you acting out the supposed role of Oswald? Hell, I don't believe Oswald did it, either, but this is grotesque.

You are playing the supposed role of Oswald to show that if he really did it, it would have been amazingly difficult, thus proving that he didn't do it, unless he could bend the laws of physics.

And don't swear, you naughty naughty boy!

[Strike For The South]

You are playing the supposed role of Oswald to show that if he really did it, it would have been amazingly difficult, thus proving that he didn't do it, unless he could bend the laws of physics.

And don't swear, you naughty naughty boy!

like this game has been tested for the physics of a bullet and taken into account Oswald was a marine sniper Imean MY GAWD

[Samurai Waki]

I still think Oswald did it, but for what reasons remain uncertain. BTW I find this game to be in very bad taste IMO.

[GoreBag]

I got it. It's fun and incredibly difficult, but mostly the second one because of the first one. Recreating the assassination is tough.

Everyone, chill out.

[Mikeus Caesar]

I got it. It's fun and incredibly difficult, but mostly the second one because of the first one. Recreating the assassination is tough.

Everyone, chill out.

Hurrah, someone on my side!

I found out something yesterday that is incredibly disturbing but funny. Set the motorcade behaviour to chaotic, then take potshots at the drivers of cars. Bodies and cars flying everywhere. An absolutely bizarre way to twist history...

[Somebody Else]

Not just any assassination, either- an assassination that changed the course of history for the worse.

Have you never seen that Red Dwarf episode? The one with time-travel.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

They persuade JFK to go back in time and space to the grassy knoll

[Spino]

There's a fine line between shooting up random civilians in Grand Theft Auto and recreating an assassination. Not just any assassination, either- an assassination that changed the course of history for the worse.

That's funny, defending a game that allows you wreak havoc and slaughter innocent people whilst chastizing another that lets you go postal on a famous/infamous historical figure. What's the difference? If you can justify one why not the other? Considering how notoriously crooked politicians are you're more likely to kill a 'good' person going postal in a strip mall than on Capitol Hill or in Parliament. Just so you know in Grand Theft Auto 2 there was a mission for the Jamaican Yardies gang that called for you to assassinate the President by driving an explosives laden car up to his motorcade or some such nonsense.

Anyway, I played the JFK game and had a blast with it... for all of 15 minutes. My greatest accomplishment was killing everyone in the car via an unintentional headshot to the driver who upon death, floored the vehicle which proceeded to swerve left across the divider racing up a bank and smashing into a light pole thus flipping the car and throwing or crushing all the occupants. I was cackling like a fiend afterwards. Pity I didn't have FRAPS' movie capture feature enabled, that would have been an all-time in-game download on various games sites.

I guess that look of horror on my Yia yia's face when she found the sign of the beast above my left temple is starting to make sense now...

[Mikeus Caesar]

That's funny, defending a game that allows you wreak havoc and slaughter innocent people whilst chastizing another that lets you go postal on a famous/infamous historical figure. What's the difference? If you can justify one why not the other? Considering how notoriously crooked politicians are you're more likely to kill a 'good' person going postal in a strip mall than on Capitol Hill or in Parliament. Just so you know in Grand Theft Auto 2 there was a mission for the Jamaican Yardies gang that called for you to assassinate the President by driving an explosives laden car up to his motorcade or some such nonsense.

Anyway, I played the JFK game and had a blast with it... for all of 15 minutes. My greatest accomplishment was killing everyone in the car via an unintentional headshot to the driver who upon death, floored the vehicle which proceeded to swerve left across the divider racing up a bank and smashing into a light pole thus flipping the car and throwing or crushing all the occupants. I was cackling like a fiend afterwards. Pity I didn't have FRAPS' movie capture feature enabled, that would have been an all-time in-game download on various games sites.

I guess that look of horror on my Yia yia's face when she found the sign of the beast above my left temple is starting to make sense now...

Heheh, loved your argument against Zorba. I was going to come up with something similar, but was too lazy.

As for the crash you caused, i created something similar, but the car kept on going across all the grass till it went up a hill and flew the air. Everyone was flung out on landing. In fact, here's a crazy picture of some of the mad things you can do if you set motorcade behaviour to chaotic.

Scratch the pictures, the site where i upload my pictures, xs.to, their servers have gone down. Should be back in a few hours.

[King Kurt]

The company who developed the game used to be based in our building. I could never understand why there were copies of the Warren report and models of the kennedy limo on their desks whenever I poped in for a chat. Then, about a year ago, I switched on the morning TV news to be greeted with "Furore over computer game" etc - they even had Edward kennedy on the Tv condemming it. The whole idea of the game was to investigate how difficult it was to carry out the actual assasination. The game was not a great commercial sucess I believe - refuting the adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity!!! - but the developers were mainly using it as a trial of web based games as a route to market for independant developers. That side paid off as they already have 1 XBox 360 game on the arcade and another due in a couple of months - but I don't see Microsoft putting JFK up!!!

[Reverend Joe]

That's funny, defending a game that allows you wreak havoc and slaughter innocent people whilst chastizing another that lets you go postal on a famous/infamous historical figure. What's the difference? If you can justify one why not the other? Considering how notoriously crooked politicians are you're more likely to kill a 'good' person going postal in a strip mall than on Capitol Hill or in Parliament. Just so you know in Grand Theft Auto 2 there was a mission for the Jamaican Yardies gang that called for you to assassinate the President by driving an explosives laden car up to his motorcade or some such nonsense.

Grand Theft Auto is pure fantasy. It's a load of crap and nonsense. Those aren't real people you are shooting; they are purely imaginary.

Recreating an assassination, on the other hand, is real. It breaks down the border between video games and the real world. You may as well create a game that recreates a sleepy town in Minnessotta that actually exists, fill iw with the people who actually live there, and let you run around causing havoc and mayhem, killing real people.

If you can't seperate reality and fantasy, you have some very serious mental issues. Same for you, Mikeus.

[doc_bean]

You may as well create a game that recreates a sleepy town in Minnessotta that actually exists, fill iw with the people who actually live there, and let you run around causing havoc and mayhem, killing real people.

It still wouldn't be real though, if you can't see the difference, maybe you're the one with a problem

Let's look at another genre: the WWII shooter. Surely it's a recreation of the killing of a ton of germans fighting for their country ? A lot of them are based on real missions and accounts from survivors.
What's the difference ?

EDIT to add: Recreating the assasination might be difficult, but then i don't know the details and how I should recreate it. Killing JFK is pretty easy though.

[Mikeus Caesar]

Grand Theft Auto is pure fantasy. It's a load of crap and nonsense. Those aren't real people you are shooting; they are purely imaginary.

Recreating an assassination, on the other hand, is real. It breaks down the border between video games and the real world. You may as well create a game that recreates a sleepy town in Minnessotta that actually exists, fill iw with the people who actually live there, and let you run around causing havoc and mayhem, killing real people.

You're sounding alot like Jack Thompson there. Games cause young people to go and kill...on what basis do you deduct that playing an assassination game like JFKR would make me lose the distinction between reality and fantasy? What you're described in that second paragraph might as well be the next GTA, thus rendering your argument an oxymoron. I think.

If you can't seperate reality and fantasy, you have some very serious mental issues. Same for you, Mikeus.

I am actually seeing a psychiatrist for various mental health issues, so could we please not touch on that subject thank you.

[Ja'chyra]

Lighten up dooods, it's a game.

I might try it tonight.

[Reverend Joe]

You're sounding alot like Jack Thompson there. Games cause young people to go and kill...on what basis do you deduct that playing an assassination game like JFKR would make me lose the distinction between reality and fantasy? What you're described in that second paragraph might as well be the next GTA, thus rendering your argument an oxymoron. I think.



I am actually seeing a psychiatrist for various mental health issues, so could we please not touch on that subject thank you.

Man, I thought we were over this...

And I did not know about that. Sorry.

[Catiline]

Gents lets try and keep this to a discussion of the merits of the JFK game, and not stray into Jack Thompson territory and personal insults territory. Regardless of real life situations the org isn't the place for amateur psychiatry on other patrons, and comments in that vein could meet with a certain amount of shock and awe.

Reasoned debate: good
Personal debate: bad

Lets leave it with the apologies, and move on

I've played this game, it's a nice time filler on a Friday afternoon at work. Once you've got over the content, which admittedly not being Americamn lacks a good deal of resonance for me any how, it's quite a challenge to get the assassination right.

[Husar]

It helps you show that it might not have been Oswald behind the shootings, and helps teach kids about the incident, or at least inspire them to research it.

Yes, his brain is flying around and stuffs and you talk about....KIDS???