O'Reilly: Dems are right, get out of Iraq now

**solypsist** · 02-23-2006, 06:22

"O'REILLY: Somewhat of a disturbing report out of Iraq, and it's more important than it first appears. The governor of -- or the mayor of Karbala, which is a town in the south part of Iraq, Shiite-controlled, has banned any further government dealings with the American military in his province, saying that they're not behaving well.

Now, it's a small little thing, but I picked up on it, because here is the essential problem in Iraq. There are so many nuts in the country -- so many crazies -- that we can't control them. And I don't -- we're never gonna be able to control them. So the only solution to this is to hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible. Because we just can't control these crazy people. This is all over the place. And that was the big mistake about America: They didn't -- it was the crazy-people underestimation. We did not know how to deal with them -- still don't. But they're just all over the place. "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200602220007

Grrr Im So Angry At Oreilly For Coming To The Correct Conclusion. Its Just Sooo Irrrritating When He Is Right.

**Samurai Waki** · 02-23-2006, 06:30

Well, if even the conservatives are saying it now...then it means we must leave, it is absolutely pointless to stay any further, I don't want any more of America's Finest getting killed in a Civil War that has no meaning to us, especially considering that it'll make Somalia look like a Circus Show.

**Hurin_Rules** · 02-23-2006, 17:11

You can just see Bush saying, as LBJ reportedly said of Walter Cronkite, "If I've lost O'Reilly, I've lost the nation."

Now, that will be the one and only time I compare Walter Cronkite to Bill O'Reilly (sorry, Walter!).

P.S. What's all this crap about under estimation? Many CIA and foreign policy analysts (not to mention numerous people just on these boards, myself included) predicted exactly this years ago: a civil war. It's just that the Bush admin. didn't want to listen to them.

**master of the puppets** · 02-23-2006, 17:18

so you would drop the country full of innocent people who really do like us and give them to the "Crazies"

**Dâriûsh** · 02-23-2006, 17:28

You break it, you buy it?

**solypsist** · 02-23-2006, 17:35

Know what's even more funny? He's basically taking Cindy Sheehan's position.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 02-23-2006, 18:00

Originally Posted by Dâriûsh

You break it, you buy it?

True, to a goodly extent.

While withdrawing the bulk of America's armed forces deployed in Iraq has to be an objective, efforts must continue to train Iraqi forces, weed out the death squads, and keep building government infrastructure.

Far too many competing parties over there really do want it to degenerate into warlordism and establish fiefs for themselves. This has some chance of happening in any case.

If America fails to prop up the new regime well enough to at least give it a chance of establishing some positive inertia, then "Nelly-bar-the-door."

A civil war in Iraq means the following become distinctly possible:

1. A full-on pogrom against Sunnis, resulting in political control of most of Southern Iraw falling to Qom.

2. The likely intervention of Turkey into Northern Iraq, not for conquest (Turks aren't dumb) but to cripple all infrastructure in the area and prevent the formation of an aggressive Kurdistan.

3. Syria will re-establish control of Lebanon, allowing for attacks into Northern Israel by those wishing to side-step the "fence."

4. An increased level of support for the armed struggle against Israel by Palestinian militants -- the other arab states don't really need them to win, just to keep Israel bleeding and give their local militants a place to go fight in the jihad (rather than upset the apple-cart at home).

5. Peace and quiet in Europe for at least 5 years, with little or no terrorist activity and very few violent protests.

6. The USA will cease to function as a Superpower, allowing China to assume a more dominant position in Asia and freeing most of Europe from the need to support/work with US policy.

7. The USA's budget will return to more balanced levels, domestic spending by the government will increase, American business will enjoy a period of prosperity -- though the defense industries will take a huge hit.

8. The trend toward Chavez-style socialism and the repudiation of IMF/World Bank efforts in South America will increase.

And yes, Naysayers will tell us that such things were virtually guaranteed the very day we destroyed Saddam's regime and that the USA should never have done anything to Iraq except drop the sanctions that were killing children and let the old regime keep a lid on. You needn't repeat it again.