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    I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.

    For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...

    I'm not convinced that it is a legitmate medical procedure... if it was then it would/should be payed out of the public purse. And if it was payed out of the public purse I would be querying why other priority treatments for burn and cancer wards were being demoted for a gender change.
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    Pape - is liposuction a "legitimate medical procedure" worthy of being paid for "out of the public purse"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellenes
    For all the "publicly" "tolerant" actors...
    I wish your male child becomes homosexual and does a sex change at the age of 30 after having 2 kids with his/her wife.
    Then you might take off the "politically correct" mask...

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    Who are you talking to?

    Homosexuality is separate from transgender. And if my son felt that way I should hope I would raise him to decide things for himself before getting married.


    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.

    For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...
    Why would guys be ashamed of being guys or girls ashamed of being girls?

    The transgender (as opposed to crossdressing) people I've known were not ashamed of anything. They just felt that their inner gender was different from what their body showed. And their personality was definitely masculine even though their bodies were feminine.

    I find it bizarre that people are weirded out by this. But then I guess we are conditioned from childhood to separate boys and girls quite firmly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    I see a huge difference between being homosexual and having a gender change.

    For me gender change is similar to being ashamed of who you are... like Michael Jackson wanting to be white, or racists who hate their ethnic background...

    I'm not convinced that it is a legitmate medical procedure... if it was then it would/should be payed out of the public purse. And if it was payed out of the public purse I would be querying why other priority treatments for burn and cancer wards were being demoted for a gender change.
    Transsexuals aren't ashamed of themselves. Normally it has nothing to do with the social role of a sex, but the body itself. If it is only the social role that doesn't fit, than one isn't transsexual.
    If gender dysphoria is diagnosed, the sex change is payed by the public purse in most countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    Transsexuals aren't ashamed of themselves. Normally it has nothing to do with the social role of a sex, but the body itself. If it is only the social role that doesn't fit, than one isn't transsexual.
    If gender dysphoria is diagnosed, the sex change is payed by the public purse in most countries.
    Gender is a society influenced role. However I don't agree with the public purse being used to change the gender of a person. I think part of the proof that they really need to change gender is that they are willing to fully pay for it.

    Also on a wider scale I would prefer to see public money spent on what I consider higher priority scenarios...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Gender is a society influenced role. However I don't agree with the public purse being used to change the gender of a person. I think part of the proof that they really need to change gender is that they are willing to fully pay for it.
    And part of the proof that one wants his cancer treated could be that he scratches the money together. The general view is that costly operations to fix inborn problems you suffer heavily from are payed for.

    Quote Originally Posted by BP
    Ok, but why not some psychotherapy?
    Because it doesn't work.

    Sex change is not really a cure, biologically, that guy is still a man. Sex changes are about aesthetics.
    No, it's mostly about the stuff dreams are made from: hormones.

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    And the cure for alcoholism is a fifth of whiskey. Remember, it's all about reducing distress.
    Her problem was the mismatch between her self perception and her body. That is gone effectively. Ergo: cured. But, hey maybe you're more clever than 50 years of research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Anyone who doesn't mind their kids being near this...thing.... is more concerned about their crazy fuzzywuzzy ideals then the health of their kids imvho.
    No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???
    I thought you said that this person is "cured" now that he has had his wee-wee cut off and has been made into a she. I guess your tolerant pscho babble is conjectured BS.
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    1 Corinthians 6:19
    Ask and ye shall recieve

    Yeah Dave , try Matthew18;8-9 .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
    1 Corinthians 6:19
    Ask and ye shall recieve

    Yeah Dave , try Matthew18;8-9 .
    Gospel trumps Letters any day of the week
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    Her problem was the mismatch between her self perception and her body. That is gone effectively. Ergo: cured. But, hey maybe you're more clever than 50 years of research.
    Yeah right, it's all so cut and dry- 50 years of unwavering support. I'm pretty sure surgery to treat psychological problems is generally frowned on- and many medical professionals are far from sold on the ethics of doing so for sex changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A.Saturnus
    No, they are just more tolerant. That someone has a mental disorder doesn't mean that he's dangerous to anyone or that his presents is harmful to children. I ask again: what can possibly happen???
    Don't know, do you? A man that thinks he is really a woman is obviously insane, like I said, giving someone like that a sex change is like giving an emperial guard to someone who believes he is Napoleon. Insane people shouldn't be near kids, today he thinks he's a woman, tommorow perhaps bluebeard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Don't know, do you? A man that thinks he is really a woman is obviously insane, like I said, giving someone like that a sex change is like giving an emperial guard to someone who believes he is Napoleon. Insane people shouldn't be near kids, today he thinks he's a woman, tommorow perhaps bluebeard?
    From where you do deduce that he's "insane", is it a medical term and therefore an educated conclusion coming from a psycologist? Or you are just guessing? Hell man, you talk about ideals but you don't even know reality...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulforged
    From where you do deduce that he's "insane", is it a medical term and therefore an educated conclusion coming from a psycologist? Or you are just guessing? Hell man, you talk about ideals but you don't even know reality...
    No I am not a psycholigist, did study it for 2 years though, nice chicks. But A. Saturnus is, and he already said that it is a mental disorder, mental disorders being commonly associated with with being less then sane I'll say it's a pretty good guess. Reality is that this thing thinks he is a woman, what we think of that is just a matter of perception, I find it weird, and you think it is normal. Now that we are doing the shrink thing, are there any studies that explicitly show that the perception of children on sexuality and gender remains unchanged when confronted with Sheman? That would help the discussion.

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