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    Prime Minister Tony Blair says he prayed to God when deciding whether or not to send UK troops to Iraq.

    Mr Blair answered "yes"
    Well if God told him it was right to make war on Iraq it must have been right

    At least now we know Gods on our side right
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    Tony blairs church (the Church of England) was against the war. even the arch bishop protested, god doesn't like wars, whatever happens in them its his children that die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary
    Tony blairs church (the Church of England) was against the war. even the arch bishop protested, god doesn't like wars, whatever happens in them its his children that die.
    Blair is IIRC a Catholic not a Protestant. In which case although the C. of E. is the, for want of a better term, the state religion it is not his personal church.

    Or it may be his wife who is Catholic. I forget, and can't be bothered to check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyspy
    Blair is IIRC a Catholic not a Protestant. In which case although the C. of E. is the, for want of a better term, the state religion it is not his personal church.

    Or it may be his wife who is Catholic. I forget, and can't be bothered to check.
    Mr Blair is currently a member of the Church of England, whereas his wife is a Catholic. However, he does attend mass with her and there was a bit of a constitutional discussion about him actually being accepted into the Church.

    As to the original topic, I'm no fan of the Prime Minister, but it's not particularly odd that he should seek guidance for his conscience from his God about sending men to war.

    It would have been better if he had sought advice on the ethics of lying to Parliament about the immediacy of the danger, and trusting Parliament to guide him on how to deal with the alleged threat by furnishing it with the intelligence he really had.

    Then he might not have had to agonise about sending men to their deaths.
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    i think it went something like this :

    parkinson: who do you think will judge you on your decision to go to war with iraq?
    bliar: well i think future historians and, if you belive in him as i do, God will judge me for my decision but i prayed before the decision to think of the correct choice to make
    so it isn't exactly 'god has guided me to war' and what is wrong with being a christian? i am an athiest but why can't our leaders be religious, what's wong with it?

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    This god fellow seems to be part of all the big decsions lately.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

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    I really dont see what the fuss is about. The guy is religious, wouldnt come as much of a shock that he prayed prior to going to war. He was risking thousands of lives, anything to calm ones nerves at that point should be used.
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    and if you believe in God, it's made by God as well," Mr Blair said.


    The mans a menace.
    Would you also be complaining if a budhist prime minister said he meditated before making a major decision that involved your country?
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    Don't worry, it's just reactionary Tories getting all in a lather about an innocent remark by the man they love to hate. The man was just examining his conscience. I'm just surprised that any politician has one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russiancsar
    Well if God told him it was right to make war on Iraq it must have been right

    At least now we know Gods on our side right
    Well actually president Bush literally claimed that God told him to invade Iraq, so who are we to disagree?

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    Give Blair a break. If you were a Christian it would be a bit strange not to grapple with a life or death decision like whether to go to war in your prayers. And rather bizarre to think God would not judge you for what you decided.

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    If I am honest I find it rather disgusting, in my view at least a Labour prime minister should not be consulting God or engaging in wars, simple as that.
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    That he prayed to God does not mean that God told him to go... He would just as well have asked for guidance.
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    This is pretty much a pointless arguement because you can't prove if God told anybody anything so if Tony says that than do you believe him or not thats the only question you should ask yourself
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    He is not quoted as saying that God told him to invade Iraq. He says that he asked for guidance before making the decision and always had in mind that he would be judged by more than public opinion - that he would face God's judgement as well as the electorate. Both of these are entirely natural for a Christian and he has not disguised the fact he is a Christian, so unless we are saying that Christians should not be Prime Minister we can not object to the article contents. We might be embarrassed by politicians referring to their own faith, but the article suggests that Parky brought the subject up, not Blair.
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