Has anyone seen or used Spartan Hoplites in campaigns?

**Avicenna** · 03-05-2006, 22:46

phred... that Greek mod is ridiculously ahistorical. The Greeks did not change to Macedonian type phalanx, did not have elephants and how can they manage to conquer all four corners of the world? The Spartan trait has been changed.. he should make a new trait Spartiate. Now Flavius Julius seems to be a Spartiate, when he is in fact a Roman. (due to the change in trait bonuses and description) Phalanxes were fought under-arm, and the Romans did have races in their Circus Maximus.

If you want to play a historical RTW, do not touch this mod. Otherwise, ignore what I have just said.

**Horatius** · 03-05-2006, 23:15

Tiberius the Macedonians definately had War Elephants. That is how Pyrrus of Epirus won early victories against the Romans. The War Elephant became a part of Macedonian Warfare.

However you are correct, the Greeks never abandoned their version of the Hoplites in favor of Macedonian Style Hoplites.

I didn't download the mod, but I like some changes, but seriously do not like others, like the Greeks using Macedonian Style Hoplites, the Thracians where much closer to Greeks then Barbarians so their having theaters makes most sense.

I definately like the loose confederation idea though, and I like the non Mercenary Illyrians, Cretans, and Rhodians, although they do seem to have limited use because they can only be trained in one place.

Is there a way to download that mod and still be able to play the original game stuff or is it one or the other?

You can probably guess, I know more history then gameplay from the noob question at the end (yes I admit I'm a noob

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**phred** · 03-05-2006, 23:55

Originally Posted by Horatius

Is there a way to download that mod and still be able to play the original game stuff or is it one or the other?

When you install the game it creates its own folder and desktop shortcut, so you can have it installed and play regular RTW.

The new units are fun to play with, and I like the different winning conditions for the Greek factions, although I didn't try to finish my Greek Cities game (too many provinces too conquer for me)

also, the Legendary Conqueror trait is fun to try and get: (from the readme)
"Legendary Conqueror: This is a special set of traits. If a Greek general achieves great victories on three continents then he gets the Legendary Conqueror trait, and "the Great" added after his name. Victories against fellow Greeks do not count. For "Victor in Europe" you must win a great victory against a Roman or Barbarian faction, for "Victor in Africa" either the Carthaginians or the Egyptians will do, and for "Victor in Asia" any Eastern faction will do. The conditions for a great victory are quite specific: The odds must be even or against you at the start. You must kill at least 70% of the opposing force, and you must walk away with at least 70% of your own force intact."

**Avicenna** · 03-06-2006, 19:02

Epirus is not a Macedonian province: it is its own kingdom. Anyway, the Macedonians would have nowhere to get elephants from. The only time they used elephants were when Alexander's Macedonian troops were all the way in Asia!

**Horatius** · 03-06-2006, 20:22

Tiberius Pyruss was a King of Macedonia as well as Epirus, his early career was actually pretty good, his ambition was to become a new Alexander the Great (Instead the determination of Rome made his name become one with battles that just are not worth it) and yes you are right no Macedonian Rule of Elephant Breeding Grounds, however they did import them.

During at the time of Rome's war with Pyrus (SP) the Romans where the only major power not using War Elephants.

I agree with most of what you said, but the War Elephant did make it into the Macedonian War Machine for some time, the main reason why the Macedonians abandoned them was the massive expenses it took to import them made it just not worth getting them.

No independent Greek City State imported them though, so it is ahistorical for Greeks to have them, but not so much for the Macedonians.

**Celt Centurion** · 03-13-2006, 18:57

In a Brutii campaign, I have been attacked several times by Spartan Hoplites.

I engaged them with Urban Cohorts in "silver" armour, and slammed heavy cavalry into their backsides.

My light cavalry and heavy cavalry combined and took down their Generals, and at the end of the battle, I had the Victory Triumph, followed by a Faction Destroyed, Greek Cities tile.

Strength and Honor.

Celt Centurion