Walking on eggshells: Gender reassignment surgery

[Divinus Arma]

Okay. I am going to do this the politically correct way and avoid being banned again. It is an honest poll question and I will ask it without being offensive.

If a male has his genitals surgically cut off, does that make him a female in your eyes?

I am curious if you would see him as a male with new "gear", or as a female. I think this is an hinest question and I just want to get a grip on the general feelings out there.

If you would consider a male with an artifically placed vagina a female, then it would be logical to presume that you would view him as a sexual object similar to a natural female...

Solypsist, I know you closed this twice, but you warned me on language, not on topic. Let me know if you have trouble with this topic and let's come to a compromise.

[Duke John]

Very limited poll options that shows your narrow-mindedness very well.

How about a man looking like a woman? You just had to add disfigured. If you only want to hear your own opinion why ask for others?

[Duke John]

And where did I wrote I was talking about a man in woman clothes?

[Samurai Waki]

... still a man... thing...who cares anyway? or has the notion of "my body my temple" been lost on us all? bloody right wing conservativism is somehow reversing itself into a communist mind setting where everyone better well think the same damn thoughts...

[Big_John]

the poll options maybe be stilted, but the bigger issue is with the question itself. i'm certainly no expert, but "gender reassignment" is hardly limited to removing the genitals, is it? i would think that the hormone therapy is at least as important. (i am assuming that you are talking about trans-gender people, and not simply asking about men who have lost their genitals... ala a eunuch or something)

it's an interesting question when one considers technology. i imagine at some point in the future we will be able to make trans-sexual or trans-gender (whatever the appropriate term may be) individuals to be more similar to the natural gender they are trying to emulate.

let's imagine, for example, that at some point we are able to create a fully functioning vagina, uterus and pair of ovaries in a person who was a biologically normal male (imo, this is certainly a possibility with biotechnology progressing as it is). does this person become a female now? if not, what's preventing them from becoming so, their history as a man?

what if this were done before that person reached puberty? what about as a newborn? what about as a fetus, in-utero? when exactly does the sex of a person becoming irrevocable?

from what tiny little i know about the current state of the procedures involved, i would tend to vote for the first option in this poll. but i imagine a distinction will become increasing less clear as the procedures evolve and improve.

[Watchman]

I'm pretty sure male genitals getting cut off is normally called "neutering" or somehting to that effect, and the end product tends to go by the name "eunuch". Who, so far as I know, are not exactly considered women, but males no longer able to fuilfill their reproductive function.

Well, that's what the poll question is. Taken at face value, the answer to that is without doubt that such people would still be considered "male".

Actual gender modification is AFAIK rather more complicated both as a medical operation and as a question. And you know, I kind of dislike muddily worded and ill-defined questions particularly over complex issues...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

A man who is surgically altered to appear feminine is still a man because what defines the sexes is our reproductive roles. A woman has a womb, end of, as far as I'm concerned.

[Slyspy]

Watchman has the right of it. This poll may not be locked but it is a bald attempt to reinforce the pollster's own beliefs. I voted for the first option because it is the only possible correct answer, though not for the reasons DA wanted.

[Vladimir]

If you have a 'Y' chromozome you're a guy, period. There are certain, rare, genetic "unfortunates" out there and they may be the exception. It's REAL simple: XX=female, XY=male.

[Devastatin Dave]

Its still a man, a very disturbed and sick man that should be put somewhere so they have no influence on society. I believe California should have a wall put around it and the seaside mined and put all the perverted and their supporters there so they can live in Brokeback Utopia, fornicating each other, animals, dead bodies, whatever gives the "progressive" mindset its jollies these days. Let filth wallow with filth.

[DemonArchangel]

Eh, your body, your choice. What else can I say.

[solypsist]

last time i checked, gender was decided by either XY or YY chromosomes.

[Goofball]

Its still a man, a very disturbed and sick man that should be put somewhere so they have no influence on society. I believe California should have a wall put around it and the seaside mined and put all the perverted and their supporters there so they can live in Brokeback Utopia, fornicating each other, animals, dead bodies, whatever gives the "progressive" mindset its jollies these days. Let filth wallow with filth.

My man, you have some serious issues.

[Devastatin Dave]

My man, you have some serious issues.

Not nearly as many issues as someone that would cut his penis off and call himself a women. And not nearly as many issues as someone would support this silly idea and call it a cure or normal either.

[Lemur]

If you have a 'Y' chromozome you're a guy, period. There are certain, rare, genetic "unfortunates" out there and they may be the exception. It's REAL simple: XX=female, XY=male.

Don't forget, you can be really unlucky and wind up with an XYY combination. Article:

XYY syndrome is a rare chromosomal disorder that affects males. It is caused by the presence of an extra Y chromosome. Males normally have one X and one Y chromosome. However, individuals with this syndrome have one X and two Y chromosome. Affected individuals are usually very tall and thin. Many experience severe acne during adolescence. Additional symptoms may include antisocial or behavioral problems and learning disabilities. Intelligence is usually normal, although IQ, on average, is 10 to 15 points lower than siblings.