Quote Originally Posted by Sjakihata
If you want depth and complexity dont get Crusader Kings, but do get Victoria, a good and complex game, a lot more so than EU II. I dont think you will be disappointed if you liked EUII. I dont feel like typing up a complete review, when you can just search for those. Also check out this forum with a search, Vicky has been discussed extensively earlier.

Thanks for the info. It does seem Victoria is more complex, but I also find the whole dynasty affairs thing of the CK appealing If someone remebers it, there was this old KOEI game that had it similar...Temujin, Genghis-Khan...something like that...

I like making dynasties, and I do take the character aspect of R:TW quite seriosly.