South Dakota outlaws abortion

[Ice]

Care to elaborate ? I'm pretty sure most instances of pedophilia qualify as "rape", you know.

I didn't mean the act of raping or the act of Pedophilia. I meant, that it isn't fair to classify a child which is a result of rape/incest in the same field as "What would happen if the child was assaulted by a Pedophil?"

[Watchman]

...maybe it's just late and I'm tired or something, but you kinda lost me there mate.

[Ice]

...maybe it's just late and I'm tired or something, but you kinda lost me there mate.

I'm just saying, being a product of rape or incest is different then being exposed to a Pedophil when you are a child.

[Watchman]

Oh. No offense, but what you originally posted isn't exactly saying that... I think it's missing a few words or something.

[Ice]

Oh. No offense, but what you originally posted isn't exactly saying that... I think it's missing a few words or something.

Most likely. I'm tired myself.

[Soulforged]

The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman's life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.

It's not outlawing exactly, it only punishes cases in wich the abortion is performed without proper justification and reducing all cases of justification to "serious risk of life" to the mother. I think it's a desicion with logical strength but not very reasonable. Woman that suffer a rape or incest are usually subjects of mental problems that lead them to perform an abortion or kill their sons after they're born. WARNING: This will not make abortion as the figure is conceived any less an "abortion" it only means that the subjects are not responsable for their actions. It's true however that this is not the proper thing to put in a bill text, it's a matter of culpability and it must be evalueted case by case, but I thought it will be important to clarify it.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Yay! Abortion thread!

Seriously, Goofball, Seamus, and Xiahou have all been spot on. Couldn't have expressed any of my opinions better myself. I have to say that I agree with the lack of exception for rape or incest, even though it really sucks for those who suffer from rape.

Pape - how relevant is a discussion of genetics here? Is rape a genetic tendency? How many rape victims become pregnant vs. rape victims in general? How many rape victim abortions are there vs. abortions in general?

As to the "coat hanger" argument, outlawing something will not keep people from trying to do something. We don't consider theft to be a constitutionally protected right. In fact, we make laws against that action. People still find other venues to take for themselves what belongs to others. Should we legalize stealing to eliminate "back alley theft?" What about the health of the thieves? I'm going to write my Senator!

If someone jeopordizes their life in an attempt to break the law, we don't show too many tears if they are hurt in the process, no? Same thing with back-alley abortions, if abortion were to be made illegal. And if the guilty survive, they can face murder charges.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If someone jeopordizes their life in an attempt to break the law, we don't show too many tears if they are hurt in the process, no? Same thing with back-alley abortions, if abortion were to be made illegal. And if the guilty survive, they can face murder charges.

For a pro-lifer, you don't show much respect for human life.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

How? I never said the result of a conviction of such murder charges would be capital punishment.

And does a pro-lifer consider the human life a murderer while they are killing their victim? Certainly it takes backseat to the goal of protecting the victim.

[Upxl]

I’m very much pro abortion.

If a 16 year old girl is pregnant and she can’t afford to raise the child properly, then that life is pretty much ruined for her and the child she carries.
This is how you create the real low level proletariat.

Rather see no live then a bad, doomed to get even worse life.

[Viking]

I’m very much pro abortion.

If a 16 year old girl is pregnant and she can’t afford to raise the child properly, then that life is pretty much ruined for her and the child she carries.
This is how you create the real low level proletariat.

Rather see no live then a bad, doomed to get even worse life.

So you`d prefer to never had been born, rather than living a harsh life?

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I’m very much pro abortion.

If a 16 year old girl is pregnant and she can’t afford to raise the child properly, then that life is pretty much ruined for her and the child she carries.
This is how you create the real low level proletariat.

Rather see no live then a bad, doomed to get even worse life.

Easy solution:


DON'T GET PREGNANT AT AGE 16!

Very simple. It's caused... don't **** every last **** you find. And if you do, use a condom. That always helps. Even if only a little bit.

[Ice]

Easy solution:


DON'T GET PREGNANT AT AGE 16!

Very simple. It's caused... don't **** every last **** you find. And if you do, use a condom. That always helps. Even if only a little bit.

Good Advice.

[JAG]

Easy solution:


DON'T GET PREGNANT AT AGE 16!

Very simple. It's caused... don't **** every last **** you find. And if you do, use a condom. That always helps. Even if only a little bit.

The advice of someone who clearly doesn't understand why/how/reasons for people getting pregnant at 16. I would suggest you take a look / read up on the people who tend to get pregnant at younger ages, I am sure you will then come to the conclusion that there is a strong correlation with deprived areas and families / disrupted and unhappy families. The solution to stopping pregnancy at 16 is therefore not simply stating 'condoms, condoms, condoms' - which incidently YOUR religion states is not allowed - but to actually stop the circle of deprivation and help those who are at the most vulnerable and bottom of society. And you do that by following sensible socialist policies, not the crazed rabid right wing policies you suggest - if indeed you still suggest them, you might have grown up in the months I have been away.

As to banning abortion, it is the single stupidest thing any anti choicer could want. Do you think by banning abortion you stop the act of getting rid of fetus'?! The FACT remains by banning abortion all you do is prevent the safe and sensible abortion process and leave it open to back alleys with a whole array of nasty objects and dodgy 'doctors' who charge fees in old stinking houses. You put the life of the mothers at further risk and save no fetus', you are in effect killing people. If you care for life you would allow abortion as a necessary evil, this decision simply makes no sense.

This too is ignoring scientific fact and simple basic common sense, which clearly points to a fetus only becoming a human at around 24 weeks. It is not a human at the second of conception, there is no valid basis for it.

[Watchman]

I'm kind of in the opinion that so long as the fetus is dependent upon its connection with its mother for survival (ie. it cannot survive outside the womb even with assistance), it's pretty much a part of the mother's body and if she wants to get rid of it she's free to. Once it can conceivably survive quasi-independently (if only in a glass box for a while) it IMHO has become enough of a "human" that this is no longer the case - and by that time the mother ought to have damn well made her mind up anyway.

'Course, defining the limits of viablity is then a whole another issue but that one's up to the medical experts.

[Big_John]

I’m very much pro abortion.

If a 16 year old girl is pregnant and she can’t afford to raise the child properly, then that life is pretty much ruined for her and the child she carries.
This is how you create the real low level proletariat.

Rather see no live then a bad, doomed to get even worse life.

so.. you're a glass-half-full kind of guy?