Questions for Muslims at the org

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Hey, ive studied Islam a little bit and with the events of recent times everyones been talking about Islam a lot. There are just some things i was wondering

1. Muslims say that you believe Jesus was a prophet, right? what aspects of his teachings do you follow?

2. Why isn't there a messiah in Islam, didn't the prophets before Muhammed predict one?

3. Why can't Jews and Cristians be considered Muslims if they also pray to the God of the old testament that Muslims worship?

Im not trying to be condesending i honestly want to know the ansers to these questions, thanks...

[Ice]

Hey, ive studied Islam a little bit and with the events of recent times everyones been talking about Islam a lot. There are just some things i was wondering

1. Muslims say that you believe Jesus was a prophet, right? what aspects of his teachings do you follow?

2. Why isn't there a messiah in Islam, didn't the prophets before Muhammed predict one?

3. Why can't Jews and Cristians be considered Muslims if they also pray to the God of the old testament that Muslims worship?

Im not trying to be condesending i honestly want to know the ansers to these questions, thanks...

Well I think I can answer three. Christians and Jews do not believe or practice many of the things that Muslims do. Although they share similarities, they aren't the same thing.

[AntiochusIII]

Well I think I can answer three. Christians and Jews do not believe or practice many of the things that Muslims do. Although they share similarities, they aren't the same thing.

That's not exactly what he is looking for...

I mean, I think he was trying to explore the doctrine differences between the religions which have the same origin. So his question, by their nature, is specific.

Unfortunately, my knowledge of the Qur'an is marginal at best, nor am I a Muslim. Therefore, I am useless here.

[KukriKhan]

This may help you out
http://muslim-canada.org/islam_christianity.html
differences between religions (and similarities).

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Let's all wait for Dariush...

[master of the puppets]

and while your at it, what is the official stance in islam regarding women, there mens equa;s right.

and one more, would muhammed approve of the modern day mulahs.

[Divinus Arma]

This is a good idea for a thread!

Let's do a dialogue on the differences between the major religions. Kudos to you, B.M.

[GoreBag]

and while your at it, what is the official stance in islam regarding women, there mens equa;s right.

and one more, would muhammed approve of the modern day mulahs.

There is no official stance. Is there an official stance from Christianity on abortion?

[Byzantine Mercenary]

and while your at it, what is the official stance in islam regarding women, there mens equa;s right.

and one more, would muhammed approve of the modern day mulahs.

well we were always taught that Muslims believe women are equal to men, but different, most of the rules regarding women in Islam are supposed to be for their protection, a muslim could probably give a better anser though...

[Byzantine Mercenary]

This may help you out
http://muslim-canada.org/islam_christianity.html
differences between religions (and similarities).

Thanks for the link

heres an excerpt i found particularly interesting

''Islam welcomes and even encourages every group, Christian, Jewish, Magian or other to have its own tribunals presided over by its own judges, in order to have its own laws applied in all branches of human affairs, civil as well as criminal. This is a characteristic feature of the Quranic legislation which accords judicial autonomy to different minority communities living under the Muslim rule. How faithfully the Muslims of later generations have followed these principles in running their governments is a matter of history. History will also judge Christian, Jewish and other governments of later generations on their adherence to their principles!''

[Byzantine Mercenary]

are there realy no muslims at the org? Dariush, where are you?

[Zain]

There is no official stance. Is there an official stance from Christianity on abortion?

This has already been answered once, but i'd like to add. Like someone said, The major churches condemn them. It should be condemned, because one of the ten commandments states that Murder is bad, and Abortion is Murder, so therefore, it's Bad.

I'm done...

-ZainDustin

[Divinus Arma]

are there realy no muslims at the org? Dariush, where are you?

I think Lefy Eye Nine is a Masoleum. I also think (could be wrong) that Mouzapherefe (sic) is Muslimicalicious.

[Dâriûsh]

Well, I am not an Islam expert, but here goes.

1. Muslims say that you believe Jesus was a prophet, right? what aspects of his teachings do you follow?

“Thou shall have no other God but…” The monotheism aspect.

2. Why isn't there a messiah in Islam, didn't the prophets before Muhammed predict one?

Messiah as in son of God or a prophet? The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is considered the last prophet of whom Jesus (pbuh) spoke. Muslims do not believe in a son of God.

3. Why can't Jews and Cristians be considered Muslims if they also pray to the God of the old testament that Muslims worship?

They are the people of the book, I think they are just considered misguided.

Im not trying to be condesending i honestly want to know the ansers to these questions, thanks...

Not at all condescending. They are fair questions.


You might find a better answer here: Jesus in the Qur'an

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Well, I am not an Islam expert, but here goes.

“Thou shall have no other God but…” The monotheism aspect.

Messiah as in son of God or a prophet? The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is considered the last prophet of whom Jesus (pbuh) spoke. Muslims do not believe in a son of God.


They are the people of the book, I think they are just considered misguided.

Not at all condescending. They are fair questions.


You might find a better answer here: Jesus in the Qur'an

thanks for the link it ansered a lot of my questions, just a few more things though, when did Jesus speak of muhammed? ,and also what is the source that muslims use for Jesus's teachings?

[Leet Eriksson]

thanks for the link it ansered a lot of my questions, just a few more things though, when did Jesus speak of muhammed? ,and also what is the source that muslims use for Jesus's teachings?

I think its Moses who mentioned Muhammeds name when he said:

"و من بعدي أحمد"

I can't recall which verse or Sura, but roughly translated "And after me is Ahmed"

Ahmed is a name very Similiar to Muhammed in meaning and is derived from it apparently.

[solypsist]

the "wild turkey defense" gets you a pass on this, but otherwise let's try to stay sober in the backroom (as paradoxical as that may sound). that was quite a night you had yesterday in here, hope the hangover was worth it.

/verbal warning

I think Lefy Eye Nine is a Masoleum. I also think (could be wrong) that Mouzapherefe (sic) is Muslimicalicious.

[Divinus Arma]

the "wild turkey defense" gets you a pass on this, but otherwise let's try to stay sober in the backroom (as paradoxical as that may sound). that was quite a night you had yesterday in here, hope the hangover was worth it.

/verbal warning

tee hee. just a silly play on words. Sometimes I refer to myself as "Divinus ***hole". Pretty close, no?

for you.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

I think its Moses who mentioned Muhammeds name when he said:

"و من بعدي أحمد"

I can't recall which verse or Sura, but roughly translated "And after me is Ahmed"

Ahmed is a name very Similiar to Muhammed in meaning and is derived from it apparently.

interesting, this qoute must surely have come from an earlyer text, any idea what one?

[ivoignob]

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/soci...ty/unity01.php

http://www.harunyahya.com/jesus01.php

Not specific answers to your questions, but you may find them in there. There are also other articles considering Islam to read, which you may find interesting.

[LeftEyeNine]

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

Just to let you know

[Komutan]

Hey, ive studied Islam a little bit and with the events of recent times everyones been talking about Islam a lot. There are just some things i was wondering

1. Muslims say that you believe Jesus was a prophet, right? what aspects of his teachings do you follow?

2. Why isn't there a messiah in Islam, didn't the prophets before Muhammed predict one?

3. Why can't Jews and Cristians be considered Muslims if they also pray to the God of the old testament that Muslims worship?

Im not trying to be condesending i honestly want to know the ansers to these questions, thanks...

Actually I am an atheist, but a muslim-atheist if you know what I mean. So I can answer these questions.

According to Islam, Jesus was indeed a prophet. But muslims believe that the original teachings of prophets before Muhammed were changed. They think that God sent Kuran with all of his prophets, but in time people have corrupted these teachings.

The muslims dont worship the old testament. The Christians and Jews have better status than followers of other religions, but they are not considered muslims.

[Komutan]

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

He has a very unique organization. Something like mafia-meets-religious fanaticism...

Anyway, as you said he is not a credible source about Islam.

[LeftEyeNine]

He has a very unique organization. Something like "mafia meets religious fanaticism"...

Mafia meets so many areas in Turkey. But yeah, religious fanaticism is a really unique branch.

[ivoignob]

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

Just to let you know

There are powers in Turkey, that try to surpress any idea that has something to do with Islam and they can't stand these kind of people which do religious teaching. And they are well able to find anything to make people they can't stand, look like they are guilty or criminal or whatever. And please don't underestimate the power of turkish media.

Just to make it clear, I am not trying to criticize turkish secular rebuplic doctrine. But even if you are an atheist (I don't know you may be not either) you have to consider the point above.

[L'Impresario]

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey.

Interesting, I thought the "deep state" is tradicionally comprised of the military and the diplomatic elite, not religious figures in any way.

[LeftEyeNine]

There are powers in Turkey, that try to surpress any idea that has something to do with Islam and they can't stand these kind of people which do religious teaching. And they are well able to find anything to make people they can't stand, look like they are guilty or criminal or whatever. And please don't underestimate the power of turkish media.

Just to make it clear, I am not trying to criticize turkish secular rebuplic doctrine. But even if you are an atheist (I don't know you may be not either) you have to consider the point above.

It sounds as if you're referring to Orthodox churches and the likes activities being disputed sometimes in Istanbul.

And yes, be an atheist but don't yell it out in the streets, live it on your own. The society does not welcome them, that's true -it may go even worse as the place you are living is smaller. But, there has not been any obvious vulgar incidents to people because of their beliefs. And at this point where we are at the threshold of EU, it is highly likely that it will never happen -thanks to Ataturk's reforms.

P.S. Turkish media is nearly controlled by Dogan Medya Grubu which is an enterprise of Aydin Dogan. He can use his media tools to manipulate things in his way -way too powerful. There are few media enterprises that are independent.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

According to Islam, Jesus was indeed a prophet. But muslims believe that the original teachings of prophets before Muhammed were changed. They think that God sent Kuran with all of his prophets, but in time people have corrupted these teachings.

but the Kuran is specific to muhammed isn't it? they (the other prophets) surely can't have had exactly the same Kuran? and what is to say that the Kuran itself has not been changed perticularly if muslims themselves agree that others were?

[LeftEyeNine]

"Changing" is meant to be "corruption". "Kuran was never changed" means "Kuran's parts were never rewritten, omitted, lost etc., it is the same book as its words were "inspired" to Muhammed".

[Byzantine Mercenary]

it is the same book as its words were "inspired" to Muhammed".

when you say inspired, was it directly qouted to him or is it his perseption of what he thought god wanted him to write?