Questions for Muslims at the org

**Leet Eriksson** · 03-13-2006, 23:53

Originally Posted by Byzantine Mercenary

thanks for the link it ansered a lot of my questions, just a few more things though, when did Jesus speak of muhammed? ,and also what is the source that muslims use for Jesus's teachings?

I think its Moses who mentioned Muhammeds name when he said:

"و من بعدي أحمد"

I can't recall which verse or Sura, but roughly translated "And after me is Ahmed"

Ahmed is a name very Similiar to Muhammed in meaning and is derived from it apparently.

**Byzantine Mercenary** · 03-14-2006, 09:44

Originally Posted by faisal

I think its Moses who mentioned Muhammeds name when he said:

"و من بعدي أحمد"

I can't recall which verse or Sura, but roughly translated "And after me is Ahmed"

Ahmed is a name very Similiar to Muhammed in meaning and is derived from it apparently.

interesting, this qoute must surely have come from an earlyer text, any idea what one?

**ivoignob** · 03-18-2006, 12:42

http://www.harunyahya.com/books/soci...ty/unity01.php

http://www.harunyahya.com/jesus01.php

Not specific answers to your questions, but you may find them in there. There are also other articles considering Islam to read, which you may find interesting.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-18-2006, 16:47

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

Just to let you know

**Komutan** · 03-18-2006, 17:19

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

He has a very unique organization. Something like mafia-meets-religious fanaticism...

Anyway, as you said he is not a credible source about Islam.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-18-2006, 17:24

Originally Posted by Komutan

He has a very unique organization. Something like "mafia meets religious fanaticism"...

Mafia meets so many areas in Turkey. But yeah, religious fanaticism is a really unique branch.

**ivoignob** · 03-18-2006, 18:39

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey. He has fingerprints in some criminal records, he was given trials for such actions. Briefly he's not one of a kind to be instructor about Islam. I'd not trust his words at least.

Just to let you know

There are powers in Turkey, that try to surpress any idea that has something to do with Islam and they can't stand these kind of people which do religious teaching. And they are well able to find anything to make people they can't stand, look like they are guilty or criminal or whatever. And please don't underestimate the power of turkish media.

Just to make it clear, I am not trying to criticize turkish secular rebuplic doctrine. But even if you are an atheist (I don't know you may be not either) you have to consider the point above.

**L'Impresario** · 03-18-2006, 18:52

Harun Yahya is the fake name of Adnan Oktar -the head of a well-known "state-in-state" organization in Turkey.

Interesting, I thought the "deep state" is tradicionally comprised of the military and the diplomatic elite, not religious figures in any way.

**LeftEyeNine** · 03-19-2006, 00:34

Originally Posted by ivoignob

There are powers in Turkey, that try to surpress any idea that has something to do with Islam and they can't stand these kind of people which do religious teaching. And they are well able to find anything to make people they can't stand, look like they are guilty or criminal or whatever. And please don't underestimate the power of turkish media.

Just to make it clear, I am not trying to criticize turkish secular rebuplic doctrine. But even if you are an atheist (I don't know you may be not either) you have to consider the point above.

It sounds as if you're referring to Orthodox churches and the likes activities being disputed sometimes in Istanbul.

And yes, be an atheist but don't yell it out in the streets, live it on your own. The society does not welcome them, that's true -it may go even worse as the place you are living is smaller. But, there has not been any obvious vulgar incidents to people because of their beliefs. And at this point where we are at the threshold of EU, it is highly likely that it will never happen -thanks to Ataturk's reforms.

P.S. Turkish media is nearly controlled by Dogan Medya Grubu which is an enterprise of Aydin Dogan. He can use his media tools to manipulate things in his way -way too powerful. There are few media enterprises that are independent.