Questions for Muslims at the org

[Byzantine Mercenary]

The point is humankind is free to draw his destiny. I mean, you are shown what you are capable of, how you behave and react. The point is that it's not something that God is "not able to", it is something that God tests the humans about their intentions when there is no force over it.

i agree, it just would seem unfair for god to allow false teachings to prosper without any evidence for the real teaching

Probably considering the facts about how previous religions were partly corrupted and were re-written by humans to serve their earthly desires, the way of dictiation may feel harsh. But take human nature into account, if you draw a responsibility line, man generally performs and obeys it at lower degrees. So loosened and soft messages would totally fail, me thinks. What's more this is religion -a dogma. In Islam, the first thing you accept is the unity of Allah. You accept the power of a superior being at first step. Watching the other concepts of Islam taking this rule of thumb into account, will make it more easier to comprehend the rest about it.

again i agree but what about the teaching to kill those that convert from Islam?

Thanks for your manner approaching neutrally inquisitive towards Islam. :bow

Im glad that this is how you interpret my questions this is exactly what i am aiming for

[BigTex]

Originally posted by LeftEyeNine
Probably considering the facts about how previous religions were partly corrupted and were re-written by humans to serve their earthly desires, the way of dictiation may feel harsh.

The Quran was kept as oral tradition till the 11th century, around 500 years. Anything that has been kept as oral tradition that long will be changed slowly. Around the 11th century individual cities started to write down their Qurans, creating many different qurans. They were also being written during the first crusade, you can probably guess what hearing news of a city canabalized by barbaric christians would have effected the writtings held in it. Late 15th century (if I remember correctly.) is when the turkish king had all qurans but the one he wanted destroyed. My point in all this is that the quran much like the bible and many other books in the world has been changed over the milenia. The belief that any holy book is unchanged since its conception is a bit flawed. Another odd fact, Mohamed was originally an orthodox priest.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

Another odd fact, Mohamed was originally an orthodox priest.

wow! realy?

[Dâriûsh]

The Quran was kept as oral tradition till the 11th century, around 500 years. Anything that has been kept as oral tradition that long will be changed slowly.

Eh?

The first was written in the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh).

[Banquo's Ghost]

The Quran was kept as oral tradition till the 11th century, around 500 years. Anything that has been kept as oral tradition that long will be changed slowly. Around the 11th century individual cities started to write down their Qurans, creating many different qurans.

Not really. http://www.answers.com/topic/qur-an

Actual fragments exist from the 7th century, and a full copy from the 9th. Most tradition maintains scribes wrote the words of Mohammed (pbuh) down there and then through dictation, though many modern scholars also believe that the verses were memorized (http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ISLAM/QURAN.HTM) until Caliph Uthman collated the first official text version around 656 AD.

I thought I read recently of a copy that has been discovered that is 7th century, but I can't find the link. Anyway, it is widely accepted that the Qu'ran has remained unchanged since dictation.

[LeftEyeNine]

BigTex, you should simply revise your source(s) about Quran.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

exactly when did Muhammed die?

[Banquo's Ghost]

OK found a link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4581684.stm

The oldest Qu'ran is in Tashkent, and was written in the 7th century - 651 AD.

According to the article, this was 19 years after Mohammed's (pbuh) death in 632 AD.

Uzbekistan is a dangerous place these days, but I would love to go and see that book.

[Byzantine Mercenary]

and is it word for word the same as modern qurans?