Appointed Chancellor rules out democracy!

[rory_20_uk]

A poor, backward and downright rebellious relative. One who spent a long time flirting with the French many years back...

What the hell are Scottish MPs doing in Westminster? Get the sods out of there. Ditto Welsh and Irish.

I agree. There are two states of affiars:

1) We are a union. Power is in Westminster. End Of Story.
2) We are something else.
Either a very small federation with a total of 4 parliments - one for each and another centeral lot, or seperate countries.

Oooh, tough one that!
Bye! Thanks for all the... Erm, thanks!! Good luck by yourself - we'll stop bankrolling you now.

The areas used to be useful in previous centuries for various reasons. Now that time is passed. These fringe areas should know to keep their mouths shut considering the money they get given. But no like spoilt brats they come back for as much as they can get.

My assessment is that we have nothing to loose and everything to gain. If I'm wrong I'm pleased to listen.

[BDC]

How come England gets a raw deal? I don't want a full blown parliament, but I would like to see English MPs get to vote seperately on England-only things. Having a full-blown seperate parliament would just be an exercise in how to waste billions of pounds.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Well, we've been trying to relieve you of the burden of Ulster for some time now

The areas used to be useful in previous centuries for various reasons. Now that time is passed. These fringe areas should know to keep their mouths shut considering the money they get given. But no like spoilt brats they come back for as much as they can get.

So now you have pillaged everything useful from the 'home' countries, you feel justified in throwing away the shells?

Frankly, as Ireland and many other countries the English thought could never survive without their 'patronage' have proven, Scotland and Wales in Europe would be a lot better off without your imperial condescension. (Not least by getting effective reparations via the insane amount the UK pays into the EU.)

[rory_20_uk]

I thought it was the March for Independence? both are the same thing.
Pilledged Scotland of what exactly?

The UK does give too much to the EU. But then as the net transfer to Scotland alone is over a billion pounds I think we'd win out of it.

We could get into how well so many of the old colonies are doing... I guess the average person in Africa loves civil war Ireland? Rather like America's view on cuba - better off if it wern't there at all, although it is a good break for the Adlantic storms.

[BDC]

I thought it was the March for Independence? both are the same thing.
Pilledged Scotland of what exactly?

The UK does give too much to the EU. But then as the net transfer to Scotland alone is over a billion pounds I think we'd win out of it.

We could get into how well so many of the old colonies are doing... I guess the average person in Africa loves civil war Ireland? Rather like America's view on cuba - better off if it wern't there at all, although it is a good break for the Adlantic storms.

America is doing pretty well for itself...

[rory_20_uk]

America is a mix of colonies from England, France and Spain, going south in that order. America nearly spoke French, remember?

With an empty continent, or rather one that is empty with the right genocidal mindset they did have the odds in their favour, but have by most standards done well.

But it is very likely America would have been given independence at the same time as or before Canada was as it would be viewed as a land that was fit for self government. Unlike Northern Ireland...

[Banquo's Ghost]

Pilledged Scotland of what exactly?

Well, their oil revenues recently.

We could get into how well so many of the old colonies are doing... I guess the average person in Africa loves civil war

Yes, it would be tedious discussing Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India, South Africa and so on. As for Africa, they are still crushed by economic dependence and many debilitating factors inherent in the continent such as malaria. Civil wars in ex-colonies of the Empire is depressingly familiar - I wonder why if they had been helped so much by the British? Perhaps because the imperialists always sought to impose independence conditions (such as partition, a favourite) that they knew would lead to civil war.

Whatever, there's no point in discussing national aspirations with an English imperialist. All I can do is ask you to put your national pride into a scenario where your beloved country was a subject nation of say, the Germans. Would you yearn to be free, or be happy to be looked after by the "God-appointed superior" race?

Ireland? Rather like America's view on cuba - better off if it wern't there at all, although it is a good break for the Adlantic storms.

Aye, and your stag parties would have to go all the way to Prague

[rory_20_uk]

Odd that the successes were all given independence... and the ones in the list that took it then had a civil war.

Africa is a combination of disease and imperialism. You make it sound that the Europeans tore down successful nations when they went out there! There was no countries of the size there are now, and it is unsurprising they've degenerated so far since. It's hardly one or two are a mess, more like the majority, regardless of natural assets

It's the fault of disease? Is there no disease in India?

Oil. Yeah, twas nice. Oil can be bought, and it was the taxes NOT the oil that the UK got. And still the monet flows to the scots as a net value: oil vs. earnings of London...

One can yearn to be free, and that be a bad idea. Is it a coincidence that all the successes you list have a parliment based on the UK model?

[Banquo's Ghost]

OK, I feel myself getting angry and nationalistic now, so I will cede the field to you.

Anyway, your argument is with Scotland and Wales, I already live in a free republic.

[Vladimir]

I see a lot of anti-imperialism opinions and I want to intrude and say that I wish England/the UK would have conquered more of the world. The most dominant colonial power in Africa was France so it’s not a good comparison. Wonderful thing about the UK (and yes the US too) is that their greedy, imperialistic expansion has largely benefited the former colonies. For the UK we have: Australia, Canada, India, Singapore, the United States, and many more. The US has...well, the Western half of the US as well as Germany and Japan to its credit. Who would have thought those warlike, authoritarian nations would be peaceful capitalists? Just imagine how much better South and Central America would have been if the English beat the Spanish there.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Here's my thoughts:

Either a Union, a.k.a. the working system we had ten years ago, or a Central Parliament in Westminster then one for Scotland, Wales, the South West, South and South East, North East, North West and a seperate one fro Northern Ireland.

As to independant countries, well most of the money is in Egnland, most of the tourism is everywhere else, along with the cary bastards we want in the army. I think we're better off united.